Author Topic: Need Advice on Bolt Action 30-06 Rifle for Son (Read 5996 times)

poncaguy · « **Reply #30 on:** May 25, 2005, 08:35:39 AM »

easch to his own,,,

Mac11700 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 25, 2005, 08:58:34 AM »

Weatherby Vangaurd...you can look at the targets of each gun and see how it shot...and with what ammo...you can accessorize it as much as your pocket book will allow...if you want...or shoot it as is...and it is accurate...sure...some may be more so than others...but it's all about the feel of the rifle to the young man...and he needs to be able to pick up and shoulder several rifles. ...maybe several times before making up his mind....and he has to feel good about his descision...not second guessing himself on it...this will boost his confindance...and that goes a long way on how he will shoot it...no matter which one he eventually selects...

Mac

Lawdog · « **Reply #32 on:** May 25, 2005, 10:11:13 AM »

Quote from: Grubbs

I'll disagree with Lawdog on only one thing......Tikka is every bit as accurate as any Savage made today. Throw in the adjustable trigger, and scope mounts/ rings that come with it (which I use on my three Tikka's are 1/2" out of the box with factory ammo). Nothing comares.....nothing. Given that I'd do the Tikka t-3 with Burris FFII.....all the gun and scope you will ever need....and affordable.

The Savage AccuTrigger is adjustable too. My low cost package model 10 from Savage put it's first three sight in shots @ 100 yards into a group that measured less than 3/4" and has only gotten better with load work. Of the few Tikka's I have seen show up at our club range none of them matched my Savage for accuracy. Also I won't own a bolt action rifle with a detachable box magazine. Lawdog

jvs · « **Reply #33 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:39:18 AM »

If I was 17 again and knew then what I know now, and somebody wanted to buy a rifle for me, I would pick the Winchester Model 70 Featherweight ......hands down.

Other Makes and Models are just as functional but the 70 Fwt is almost Heirloom Quality. My Fwt still turns heads and gets comments at the range and I have no regrets about buying my .308 Fwt. The shame of it is that you may scratch it in the woods.

A friend of mine who is a big Remington fan/collector still asks me once a year about my Fwt, so they have admirers among other collectors.

All depends on what you want to spend.

dougk · « **Reply #34 on:** May 25, 2005, 04:55:16 PM »

Guys,
it is his son's first gun. Buy him something he likes and will last him a lifetime.

Having said that... why are you doing the research. Why not let your son do it and present his finding to you (Dad). That is part of the fun..

You can only pick your first gun once...

Doug

Grubbs · « **Reply #35 on:** May 26, 2005, 05:21:12 AM »

Law....problem with the Savage is they don't all come with the accutrigger, which I'll admit is a great trigger. As you know ALL Tikka trigger's are fully adjustable, and my personal preference is for a detachable magazine.

pc · « **Reply #36 on:** July 01, 2005, 05:06:01 PM »

Featherweight is the best suggestion as it is like another poster said a true "heirloom" type rifle, I don't care if savages are accurate there horrid & putrid looking. There are rifles which are accurate and look nice. Savages & Tikkas make me sick, Tikka IMHO have sold there soul there old rifles shot and where pretty with there all steel parts.

Also it would seem your son likes synthetic stocks.....I can relate to to young people liking them so buy the featherweight winchester and put a hs or McMillan stock on it pack the nice wood stock away and his tastes and ideas mature he will most likely mount that nice timber stock again :wink:

Other than the m70 FW I would take a cz 550 and add a AHR McMillan stock to it.

147 Grain · « **Reply #37 on:** July 02, 2005, 07:08:08 AM »

After doing a lot of research and shopping around, we decided to purchase a new Remington 700 SPS Stainless 30-06 as a gift for my son's earning the Eagle Scout Award.

Rifle was $469.00 from Sportsman's Warehouse in Utah and included a 24" stainless / parkerized barrel and Limbsaver Recoil Pad.

FYI:

The blued version was discounted to $398.00, but we liked the stainless at $469. (Note: The 2005 Stainless version retails for $613 and has replaced the 2004 BDL's Stainless. The 2005 SPS in blue ($520 retail) has replaced the 2004 ADL line which was dropped.)

We Piller Bedding the action / Free Floating the Barrel, and Adjusted the Trigger to 2 3/4 lbs. So far, results have been 7/8" MOA with the rifle only having 12 shots through the barrel. Should be a MOA shooter after the barrel's broken in.

http://www.remington.com/firearms/centerfire/700sps_ss.htm

Lawdog · « **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2005, 11:31:12 AM »

Quote from: Grubbs

Law....problem with the Savage is they don't all come with the accutrigger, which I'll admit is a great trigger. As you know ALL Tikka trigger's are fully adjustable, and my personal preference is for a detachable magazine.

Would you care to list the 2005 Savage models in .30-06 caliber that don't come with the AccuTrigger? Lawdog
:toast:

beemanbeme · « **Reply #39 on:** July 03, 2005, 07:02:00 AM »

If you think your son is gonna keep his rifle for a long, long time, then get a Savage if you want to go the cheap route. 'cause if he ever wants to go on to something better, he'll probably have trouble giving the Savage away.
I keep hearing about how the Savages "ARE THE MOST ACCURATE OUT OF THE BOX" rifles but I don't see them too often at the factory matches. And those I do see, don't stay around long.

PEPAW · « **Reply #40 on:** July 05, 2005, 10:11:36 AM »

I second the Howa 1500. From all reports, the Stevens looks like a real shooter. I suspect this gun will be around awhile and might be used roughed. Perfect for the these two guns.
Spend the extra money on a very nice scope. My Bushnell 3200 was inexpensive, but is really clear. I have Leupolds on the remainder of my guns and they have never failed.

pepaw

Warthog · « **Reply #41 on:** July 05, 2005, 10:29:15 AM »

Don't let your son see or shoot a Tikka at the range or he'll be doing like the V8 commercial: (Smacking himself in the head) "I could'a had a T3!"

Good luck with the Rem!

Squeeze · « **Reply #42 on:** July 06, 2005, 03:53:23 AM »

I have to chuckle at the Tikka versus Savage debate. I own two
Tikkas, and two Savages. Given that it is the same shooter pulling
the trigger on all of these guns, I could not clearly call one of
these rifles more accurate than the other. I have turned .3 MOA
groups out regularly with my Tikka M695(.25-06 Rem), and my
Savage 16(.22-250 Rem). My Savage Striker is also a sub MOA
shooter, with .6 MOA groups, with a seriously warm 130 gr. XBT
load. My Tikka T-3(.223 Rem), is not through breaking, and load
development, but it will be well into the sub MOA range, from all
early indications. So in my samples, I would hate to bet against
either of these brands, for out of the box accuracy. The Tikka
has a significant advantage in fit and finish. The Tikka trigger makes
the Savage Accutrigger look and feel like junk, IMHO. And the
Tikka synthetic stock looks much more refined, and clean of
over molding lines versus the plain looking, very rough Savage
synthetic stock. Is the Tikka worth twice the price of a Stevens,
or something over $100 more than a Savage? That would
be up to the buyer. Accuracy wise, by my tests, they are equals.
So for rough duty(truck and garage guns), I choose Savage. For
a nice hunting rifle that will get taken out of the case to hunt,
and then returned to the case, after proper maintenance, and
cleaning, I buy Tikkas. I do like the fact that I have accurate
rifles to pick from, at several different price points.

Squeeze

P.S. My Howa 300 WSM is no slouch in the accuracy department.
I won it at a DU banquet, so I did not actually pick this one off
the rack. It also has a decent trigger now that I have it adjusted
properly. My only kick against this rifle, is the safety doesn't lock
the bolt. I understand that this is fixed in new Howas. In this
area, Howas are a bit more than Savage rifles, and less than a
Tikka. So unless I'd get a killer deal on a Howa, I would
probably shop for a Savage, or a Tikka, depending on my
price point at the time. But if I came across a great deal on
a Howa I would be reaching fast for my wallet, without one
bit of hesitation.

WW1 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 28, 2005, 09:07:09 AM »

the Tikka may well be a fine rifle but they dont seem to care about anyone but right handed people...us Lefties like to hunt and spoend just as much as the righties...Savage still gets my vote...just my thoughts.....WW1

Ps: a note for Grubbs...have you ever dealt with the Savage 110 series rifles?...I dont think so, and not trying to make you mad or anyone else mad, my first Savage bought new in 1971, is fully ADJUSTABLE....it has 4 adjustment screws that adjust every aspect of the trigger and saftey...it also came with a booklet that told you just how to do it...I have only one rifle out of 5 that has the accu-trigger and I dont see any improvement at all...all 4 of my older rifles let go at right around 2 3/4 pounds with no excess creep or over travel...I realize everyone has a favorate rifle but that doesnt make the rest garbage..as I have stated before it is hard to be the accuracy and trigger of an out of the box Savage, but I would never say it is the best, just my favorite...now if you could find me a Tikka made with the bolt on the wrong side in lets say 7mm-08 or 260 Rem, let em know and if the price is fair I will give one a try gladly...the one other feature you guys have missed is the ease of changing barrels and cal on the Savage....just changed one of mine from 243 to a nice 260 Rem for very little money and still have the extra barrel...for this who dont believe that Savage had a prim trigger before the accu-trigger, let me kniw I can supply the instructions for adjusting...again like I say I am not trying to make anyone mad, just hoping by supplying some facts maybe some of the myths will go away...just my thoughts....WW1

Bart Solo · « **Reply #44 on:** September 28, 2005, 10:19:55 AM »

Quote from: 147 Grain

My son took a liking to the Savage 110FXP3 in 30-06 today at Walmart. It has a Simmons 3-9X40 scope for $349.

We'll keep the Savage in mind and keep looking, but might end-up with a Savage.

Additional feedback is welcome!

I would suggest the Savage 110G model. It has the accutrigger. I bought one for my son last Christmas and he has enjoyed it. It is 449 at walmart with the Simmons scope. The accutrigger is worth it.

goodconcretecolor · « **Reply #45 on:** October 07, 2005, 04:50:23 PM »

Over the years, the Howa 1500 has been sold under a number of brand names including Mossberg and Smith&Wesson and currently Howa's own name and the Weatherby Vanguard. I have one of the Mossbergs in 30-06. Labeled 1500 and on the other side of the barrel is stamped "Made by Howa in Japan". It has proven a very reliable rifle which has responded well to tinkering with the bedding. Many of these bedding improvements are now incorporated from the factory, especially the Weatherby Vanguard.