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Offline Handwerk

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« on: April 27, 2005, 02:17:43 PM »
I already know the t-3's are great guns, heck I've bought 3 of them in the last 2 years. I am wondering how the older tikka's stack up to the t-3. I have not been able to actually hold any of the older models and now that the tikka's have spoiled me, I have a feeling my next gun will be a tikka as well, but I might be inclined to get an older model just to try something different. I have looked at lots of other rifles but I always ending up looking towards the tikkas and sakos,and the sako is just too much $ for the few differences. Anybody have older tikkas and a t-3?

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2005, 04:32:49 PM »
I own both, the old and the new.

Quality wise, they are both the same - excellent.

So what are the differences between the Whitetail Hunter (WH) and the T3?

The stock on the T3 is thinner and lighter.  The stock on the WH has a big palm swell  The T3 is a much ligher gun.  The barrel on the T3 is the same as the WH.  The action on both guns is about the same, with the main difference being that the T3 has a full length bridge on top of the action over the bolt.  Still, the fired brass ejects just as easily without any problems.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 05:51:42 PM »
Zachary,

Correct me if I'm wrong - doesn't the Whitetail Hunter have a plastic sleeve around the bolt? I know the T3 does not.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2005, 03:55:46 AM »
I have both the T3 in a 6.5-55 and a Whitetail Hunter in a .308.  The T3 is lighter and has a smaller feel to it.  The Whitetail Hunter has a slight amount more bulk.  They are both fantastic weapons, quality and accuracy wise.  The actions are smooth as silk and don't have a plastic sleeve.  The issues all boil down to this for me.  It is all about how it feels in your hands and what caliber you want to shoot.  If I was shooting a magnum I would like it to be in a Whitetail Hunter for the slight extra weight and feel.  If I was to carry the weapon alot I would choose a T3.  Sounds simple but that is how it breaks down for me.  Both are awesome weapons, great value.  As far as plastic on them, I work with hospitals and Composites are every where.  They have great strength and don't rust.  I am very comfortable with there functionality but like metal for it's looks.  Have hnuted the T3 in -10 below and dropped once in the rocks.  Scratch and small dent on trigger guard and clip, no problem otherwise.  I am not saying this is the only weapon to buy but it really impresses me.  Thanks  Buckfever

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2005, 04:22:19 AM »
I have the oneof the old(Whitetail) and 2 of the T-3's.  Both are extremeley accurate.  The barrel seems to be the same, the actions seem to be the same (with some minor differences that were pointed out by Zachary), and there is definitely no plasctic sleeve.  The detachabel mag is a little different, but they all work well.  Triggers are the same.  I agree with Buckfever...I'm not saying it's the only rifle out there, but it is a serious hunters' weapon.....tough, accurate, smooth.  I have a Steyr Mannlicher that is equally as smooth and accurate, but it cost $1250 about 7 years ago.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2005, 04:24:42 AM »
Quote from: Sigma
Zachary,

Correct me if I'm wrong - doesn't the Whitetail Hunter have a plastic sleeve around the bolt? I know the T3 does not.

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I am currently selling my house and have most of my guns at my parents' house while prospective buyers (and their children) come in my house.  As such, I don't have my Tikkas here to look at, but I will try and respond by memory.

The WHs for sure have the plastic shroud around the rear of the bolt.  I just received my T3 Stainless Synthetic in .300WSM recently but I do not remember if it too has the plastic shroud.

Zachary

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2005, 05:53:04 AM »
I have both.  I have a Tikka M695(Whitetail Hunter), SS/Laminate,
in .25-06 Rem, and a Tikka T-3, blued/synthetic, in .223 Rem.
 
Differences  are:
 
 A full length bridge over the ejection port, on the T-3, versus
an open top ejection port on the WH.  This makes single shot
loading a pain, but not impossible.  Not really  an issue for  
most shooting scenarios.
 
The plastic box magazine in the short action WH(M595), has
an issue where if the plastic mag. is loaded, and left out of the gun,
it has a tendency to bulge the sides, and prevent the mag
from being later inserted in the rifle.  My gun store guy had
a .243 M595, that he would load the mag, and throw it on the
seat of his truck.  Later when driving around for varmints/predators,
he would attempt to load the loaded mag, and it could not  
be inserted in the rifle.  He sold it because of that issue, but
now regrets selling this very accurate rifle...I wish I would have
known it was on the market!  The long action mag.s for the
WH(M695), are steel, and do not have this issue.  This would
not prevent me from buying a short action WH(M595), since
I would just load the mags just before it was inserted in the  
rifle.  I know of one case where a Sako short action steel
mag was modified to work in a short action Tikka WH(M595).
On the T-3 short action mags, reinforcing ribs have been  
added to prevent this problem.
 
The T-3 is a one size fits all rifle, with a bolt stop for short  
action calibers.  So there might be a small weight savings,
if they had actually made two different action sizes, but the
T-3 is already so light, this really is insignificant.  
 
The Whitetail Hunters are heavier.  In heavy recoiling rifles
this is an advantage, at least as far as my shoulder is concerned.
In small caliber rifles, this is a disadvantage.  I really like the  
heavier rifle, in .25-06 Rem, since my loads are getting all of
the speed out of heavier bullets, I can load for.  It does let you
know that when I pull the trigger.  In my .223 Rem., I want a
light varmint rifle, and the T-3 is just about perfect. In a heavier
caliber T-3, I would be looking at a Limbsaver Recoil pad,  
and expect more felt recoil.
 
Both rifles are excellent firearms, and these differences would  
not prevent me from buying either model, in all available  
standard calibers, if the deal was right.
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2005, 01:51:40 PM »
I tried to see where the weight loss of the T3 came from and here is what I see other than the lighter stock. The action is lighter - the outside width is smaller and the wall thickness is less which I would guess is why the action now has a bridge on top to add some strength to make up for the thinner walls. The bolt handle is hollow on the end. The locking lugs are tapered. The barrel contour is lighter - same muzzle diameter but my T3 tapers down more quickly right in front of the chamber - my WH's have a more gradual taper. T3 shoots just as good though.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2005, 01:13:08 PM »
Well guys, I am visiting my parents and looked at my guns.  My T3 DOES have the plastic shroud on the back of the bolt.

Seems odd that some of you are saying that your T3s do not.  Maybe Tikka changed this sometime after the early production (like mine)?

Zachary

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Both of mine have plastic shrouds
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2005, 03:54:18 AM »
Both my Whitetail Hunter, and  my T-3, have plastic shrouds
on the back of the bolts.  

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