Author Topic: SILHOUETTE (Read 2071 times)

silhouetteshooter22 · « **on:** March 28, 2005, 08:23:03 AM »

i need a good, accurate, reliable .22 for silhouette shoots. This gun cannot be chinese or russian or any other foreign company unless it is a popular company such as Anschutz (most of these are too expensive) i want a 22 for over 200 but under $800 because i need a good scope too...I'm just worried about the gun now though so please reply
Dane

Don Fischer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2005, 08:36:06 AM »

This is just personal opinion but I always prefer bolt action's for accuracy. I don't really know if you need that much accuracy but, you are talking of a target game. If you could find an old Remington 541S or a Winchester mod52, you'd be about set. Those would be hard to come by. You said under $800 so the field is pretty open. Personally I'd lean toward the Ruger mod 77/22, I like how it look's. Unless you go with a full blown target rifle, I don't know that paying out a lot of money will get you that much more accuracy in a 22 rimfire, you'll be paying for fit and finish and a rifle that you think look's good. Better to spend a bit less on the rifle and a bit more on match grade ammo. I've seen to many people spend a bunch of money on a 22 then cut corner's an ammo and think the rifle doesn't shoot.

Charles/NM · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2005, 10:28:16 AM »

"Better to spend a bit less on the rifle and a bit more on match grade ammo. I've seen to many people spend a bunch of money on a 22 then cut corner's an ammo and think the rifle doesn't shoot."

Very true, but let me add my little bit of sage advice:
Practice, practice, practice!
I've seen a lot of shooters at matches with very nice, very accurate rifles shoot a total score of 3 because they don't spend enough time behind the trigger practice shooting. Even shooting an air rifle at home helps get your muscles used to holding and shooting a rifle.

silhouetteshooter22 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:43:25 PM »

yeah im used to guns so the muscle thing doesnt affect me....are ruger 10/22's any good? kimbers are good but too expensive. im not really that serious about it im not like on a rifle team but i would be shooting in matches once a week...ive shot a 77/22 and its ok but too heavy. with the scope the limit is 7 pounds . i need a light accurate gun
Dane

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 28, 2005, 02:45:11 PM »

Go to any Rimfire Silhouette match and the most popular rifle on the line is the Ruger 10/22. But I agree that the 77/22 should work nicely. After market products abound for both that let you get the accuracy you need without breaking the bank. I built my granddaughter a Ruger M10/22 for her silhouette rifle. Just make sure you use good ammo and mount a good quality scope. Lawdog

Medbill · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2005, 03:55:35 PM »

You won't be disappointed at all with a used Remington 541-S. Mine shoots sub moa at 100 with Wolf Match Target. They can be had for around $500 or so.

Also an Anschutz 64 MS will do the job just fine as well and you can find them for around 5-600 as well.

The 541's are no longer made so keep your eye on the auction sites or Gunsamerica.

Good luck!

Billy

Charles/NM · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2005, 07:15:41 PM »

Quote from: Lawdog

Go to any Rimfire Silhouette match and the most popular rifle on the line is the Ruger 10/22. Lawdog

Popularity of the 10-22 may be a regional thing. There was a time when it seemed like everybody shot one. Not anymore. At our matches you will find more bolt action rifles in many different brands. I've seen Anschutz, Kimber, CZ, Win 52, Tula, etc, and a couple of us shooting the Marlin model 60. I don't see the make of rifle making much difference with casual Class B shooters so long as it's reasonably accurate. Shooter ability makes a huge difference.

JohnClif · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2005, 08:00:53 PM »

I second the recommendation for the Remington 541. I have a 541S that I bought in 1981 that shoots like a dream. I don't know why Remington stopped making them, and why this gun can't be sold for the same price as a CZ 452 American while still providing a good profit for Remington.

Actually, I do know why. I bet that labor is the most expensive component of every American-made mass-produced firearm. This is why Glock is so profitable... Gaston Glock figured out how to engineer his product so that the cost of goods is incredibly cheap. I know that a brand-new Glock costs less than $100 for Glock to manufacture.

Speaking of CZ, the CZ 452 is another good choice.

If you're willing to spend some money, start looking at the Sako Finnfire and the Kimbers. If you shop around you should be able to pick up either the HS or the Varmint (good standard rifle) for under $800.

Used is also an option. If you have a little patience you'll find some real bargains.

S.S. · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2005, 04:10:23 AM »

Find yourself a Nice Model 67 Winchester
and have it tapped for a scope.

sillywetshooter · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2005, 11:42:36 AM »

find yourself just about any mossberg boltaction with a 13/16 barrel like the 44 us models or 46m or 144lsb . most of these guns will shoot moa or better with cheap ammo . search the gun auctions be patient sometimes guys ask crazy prices but if you keep your eyes open you'll find a good one i wouldn't pay more than 275 for any of those models and they better be in great shape . the only problem is the word has been out awhile now that they are great shooters, check out this link for models and specs.
http://home.epix.net/~damguy/index.html

ajj · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2005, 03:14:09 AM »

Without question, the most accurate barreled action in the $300 price range is CZ. They are very popular for silhouette and for good reason. If that's too foreign, look for the Remington.
I shot the Sako Finnfire for three seasons. I don't recommend it. It's a great rifle, fit me well, has short locktime and was quite accurate. But the trigger that felt so good to me as a novice began to feel like breaking a chicken bone and the muzzle is so light that it would jump straight up when the sear let go. The rifle will use up all of your $800 without handling or shooting any better than the CZ. With a $200 trigger job by a Sako specialist and a $400 Lilja barrel you can solve the Sako's big problems but then you've spent more than the cost of the Anschutz 1712, a better rifle, created for this sport.
There is no problem starting cheap while you spend a few seasons deciding whether you're in the sport to stay. You'll eventually either go on to other things or upgrade to top flight equipment. Either way, the first gun is going into the safe. You don't want to have $800 in it, whether in purchase price or gunsmithing. Your question suggests you know that. Get the CZ.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2005, 03:21:37 AM »

I would think that if you looked around you could find a Kimber in the $800 range.......that would be my first choise if I were going to spend that kind of money on a .22lr........

silhouetteshooter22 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2005, 05:23:33 AM »

ive been shooting my friends ruger 77/22 for a few weeks now and im beginning to like it. it has a tasco 6-24x44 scope on it which is nice. so i might get one of those but im not sure. CZ is too foreign...id love one but my dad said all the russian stuff is crap- not true i talked to a guy that got an EAA and his grandson loves it. Kimber is nice but not light enought- remember under 6 lbs due to a 20 oz scope- Remington 504 looks good and so does a Win 52 for the same price. im just not sure :?

Jason · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2005, 05:50:27 AM »

The CZ isn't a Russian gun. It's made in the Czeck Republic and is anything but poor quality. If I were you, I'd ask this question in the "Rifle Silhouette" forum that's down in the list below this rimfire forum. It's a very active forum with at least half the posts dealing with rimfire silhouette shooting. It also has some of the best silhouette shooters in the nation posting in it, and they have quite a lot of experience getting new shooters into the sport with whatever budget they have.

As for your original question, I'm a bit hesitant to recommend something because of your weight limit of 7lbs being mentioned. I only shoot NRA smallbore silhouette matches, so I'm not familiar with that weight limit. In the matches I shoot in, the weight limit is 8.5lbs for hunter class. Is your 7lb limit including scope and mounts also?

I can definitely recommend NOT using a 10/22. I currently have one that I have about $500 in, trying to make it into a good silhouette gun. It's just not worth it. Get a good bolt action gun like one of the models of 452 and you'll be in business. You'll be spending around $300 for it and nothing else in its price range can compete with the quality and accuracy of it. That will leave you plenty of money for a good scope, and I can't overstate how important that is to silhouette shooting. Your scope needs to adjust the amount it's supposed to, and it needs to do it exactly the same every single time. The game is all about offhand shooting, and having to worry about not having an accurate gun or your scope not adjusting perfectly will just reduce your scores. I would recommend your choice of the Sightron SII competitive models or the Weaver T-series, and make sure to get a dot reticle.

Again, it would be best to post this question in the "Rifle Silhouette" forum in the list below this "Rimfire Rifles" forum.

sillywetshooter · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2005, 07:13:33 AM »

One thing about the Russian Or Cz guns is they aren't always works of art but they put the effort where it counts. A good example Is the Ishmash biathalon . imo ugly as all hell but i hear they are very good shooters with match chambers.

Lawdog · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2005, 08:54:03 AM »

Quote from: Jason

I can definitely recommend NOT using a 10/22. I currently have one that I have about $500 in, trying to make it into a good silhouette gun. It's just not worth it.

Can I ask you what you have put into(name of barrel, etc.) your 10/22 and it's problems you have encountered that leads to make these statements seeing so many 10/22's are being used very successfully? I have 5 Ruger 10/22s, all of them tricked out, that work very well as target/silhouette/hunting rifles. Lawdog

Jason · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2005, 09:10:42 AM »

Present setup, other than factory parts: Bell & Carlson Anschutz Target Stock, Titanium Extractor, I think every part of the trigger mechanism but the triggerguard/frame replaced with VQ or PC parts and polished/tweaked by competition gunsmith, GM 20" stainless fluted .920 barrel, hex takedown screw (for reliable torque setting), replaced a few springs, polished surfaces of bolt/receiver/etc.). Now that I think of it, I probably have $500 on top of the cost of the factory 10/22 into it, not just $500 total.

It still won't compete with real silhouette guns like the Anschutz, mainly because of the comparatively poor trigger design of the 10/22 and the very slow locktime with so many moving parts. For what I have in that gun, I could have gotten an excellent used Anschutz that is what the B&C stock was copied from. For a little more, I could have gotten a used model 1712 that would shoot circles around the 10/22 and would be an actual top-end platform for customization if I decided to get really serious with silhouette shooting later. To make a 10/22 really competitive in master class silhouette shooting, not a single part in the gun would be stock and you'd have to start with a Kidd trigger group (since the Kidd design is different from Ruger's) and all custom parts. When you were done, you'd still have a gun that cost at least as much as a custom bolt gun made from an Anschutz 54 match action and it wouldn't be as good for offhand shooting because of the slower lock time and more, heavier moving parts that move before the bullet is actually fired.

NJMJ · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:18:35 PM »

I bought a CZ 452 American in January from Cabellas in Hamburg, Pennsylvania. $343 out the door. Rifle shoots a little under MOA with Wolf target. The suggestion to look at the rifles used at a match is a good one. Keep in mind you can shoot either standard rifle or hunting rifle with a light rifle but only standard with a heavy rifle. I have a tricked out 10/22 that shoots no better than the CZ and have more money into it. I also have a couple Mossberg 44's and even though I love the mossbergs they'll never shoot as good as the CZ. Does anybody really shoot a marlin model 60 in silhouette? Seriously? I like the CZ so much I'm thinking about buying the varmint model with the heavier tapered barrel. NJMJ