Savage ... that is about what you should expect from the Ceiner ... when these guys are saying it isn't up to snuff, they're referring to the fact that the Marvels are truely match worthy and to prove it, they all come with a 50yd target (from a Ransom Rest) ... mine grouped .76" for five shots beforethey shipped it to me ... accuracy which, today, is pretty much wasted on me :roll: ... I guess if you allowed yourself the luxury of shooting prone from sandbags, it might help you harvest small game in a pinch ... I got the Marvel, 'cuz I could (it didn't break the bank). If the economy was like it is today, I'd probably be quite happy with the Ceiner that I'd have bought instead!
Shoot well and be safe,
Saands