Author Topic: ive been experimenting with the cheap package guns from wal- (Read 1294 times)

howie1968 · « **on:** April 09, 2005, 03:44:05 PM »

for several years now i have been buying these cheap package guns from wally world such as the savage package in both the 110 and 11 series with the black synthetic stocks and cheap simmons scopes ive had these in 30-06 270 and 243 ive owned 3 Remington 710 2 30-06 and 1 270 both were 1 inch guns with there cheap scopes, my newest addition came from a pawnshop in arlinton Texas it is the synthetic winchester model 70 push feed model with no hinged floor plate it came with a 3-9X40 simmons 8 point scope the gun used to retail for 398.00 with schope rings trigger lock. i was in the pawn shop and and seen they had 299.00 on it this gun showed no sign of wear and very little firing The caliber is 7mm Remington mag has a 26 inch barrel. i replaced the cheesy rings with weaver quad lock rings and made sure the bases were tight as well as the stock was nice and snug sighted it in at 50 yards then moved to the 100 yard ranch i fired 5 groups of 5 with this rifle and the largest being 1 3/8 center to center. i walked out the door with this gun paying a mere 265.00 i will use this as my hog gun ive only tried 1 load which was Remington core lokts 150 gr i do admit after shooting almost 2 boxes my shoulder is tender. i see room for improvement from this gun, i would like to put a good quality scope on it and some limb saver on it and experiment with some partitions or fail safes. my next prodject will be buying the mossberg 244.00 270

beemanbeme · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2005, 06:56:22 AM »

Well, a breath of fresh air.
Too many post in these rooms are by folks, if you believe them, that cannot stand a production rifle and only an extravagant eurotrash scope will meet their minimum standards. You often wonder how these folks can abide to trod on earth where other, lesser, humans have walked.

The fact remains, you can kill a ------ (fill in the blank) with a rifle that is not blest by some little rifle making elf that lives under a hollow log and a scope that is not gonna take a second mortage to finace. And it doesn't make you appear smart nor experienced to trash-out and find fault with every product that comes along.

Good post.

mjbgalt · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2005, 08:30:58 AM »

if you choose to, please take a look at the new savage-made stevens model 200. i want one badly in .223 but i havent brought myself to buy one yet. i would love to hear from someone who has shot one.

-Matt

longwinters · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2005, 08:53:27 AM »

From what I read on this website, the vast majority of people shoot production guns. But I cannot blame a guy for having a hankerin for a custom gun. To each his own. One person may put his money into one gun while another is happier putting his money into several less expensive toys. It should never be motivated by trying to achieve some type of elite status. Whether to have "the best" or "the most". Personally I have never seen a gun that did not interest me, although there have been many that while I would take for a few $$$ I would not be drawn to them for what they are worth on the market. I tend to be a person that has tried to have a few guns/scopes that are more expensive rather than have more guns. But there is nothing I would like better than to come over to someone's place and look at lots of guns in different calibers etc...And hear their stories about where and how they got them and what they have done with them.

Long

howie1968 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:37:24 PM »

I have in the past had some really nice rifles along with high dollar scopes and custom work done on them, they sure look pretty and i think we all deep down would like the elite of the crop, byt in some cases$ set us back. i am a hunter more than anything so these cheap packages allow me to buy other accesories. of all the guns ive had the best bang for buck has been the tikkas, they are a great combination of accuracy and beauty. The Savages will shoot with anything im a proud owner of a cheap winchester package and my favorite package gun believe it or not is the remington 710 i love the detachable magazine and the stock is solid

mountainview · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2005, 04:55:18 AM »

Howie,

That Winnie sounds like nice, I've been hankering for a similar rig myself. Someday I'll own a couple 'o nice firearms but for now the Savage rifles work very well for me and I'm in no hurry to upgrade. I could try and save up to buy a more expensive rifle but given current financial obligations and the loss of shooting time that would be incurred while saving up, I'd much rather be at the range drilling holes.

Safe shooting.

superhornet · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2005, 07:14:10 AM »

:wink: Two cents worth.......Let us not say cheap rifles, but inexpensive.
Shot and worked with both the Rem 710 and Mossberg ATR 100. Have not got my hands on a Stevens 200 yet. Both the 710 and ATR shoot just fine. Not much to look at but will do the job. The ATR, and the Stevens 200 appear to be a clone of the old Charter Arms Field King that was out a few years ago. The old Field King had a Shaw barrel if I remember correctly........The 710 sells for between $300-349 from some of the stores I looked at. The ATR about $269. The ATR in .270 was very accurate after breaking in with Remington Factory 150 Cor-Loks. Topped it with a 12 power scope and I could get 4 shot groups you could cover with a fifty cent piece. The trick on this rifle is let it cool totally between groups...both the 710 and ATR will shoot.......IMHO of course. Savage Rifles

?? If you can find a better one out of the box for the same price, let me know......Savage 111 package, 300WSM, 4 whitetail and one Elk using 180 accubonds by Nosler....

beemanbeme · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2005, 06:43:27 AM »

Everybody likes nice things. You just have to define "nice". To a fellow on a very tight budget, a 710 can be very nice. Especially compared to the $35.00 Ethiopian mauser he was shooting. And, as posted, you can do a lot of shooting, have a lot of fun, and kill a lot of game without having a rifle that cost the price of a small auto.
If a fellow can afford it, or its worth it to him as an ego thing, (like the guy that drives a hummer to his job at the 7/11) then I say go for it. But that's not the only way. And low rating the other fellow's speckled pup doesn't make yours any better.

superhornet · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2005, 07:42:00 AM »

Bemanbeme---if a 7-11 clerk is driving his Hummer to work, keep an eye on him....he is selling something besides Budweiser and hot dogs..ho ho

EVOC ONE · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2005, 08:12:44 AM »

Hello everyone. I'm new to Graybeards and hangout mostly over on the NEF site. My wife gave me a Mossberg ATR in .30-06 last year as a birthday gift. I've not shot any reloads through it yet, only Rem 180gr Sp and some PMP 180's. I have a Wally World Tasco 3X9X40 and Weaver quad rings. The whole package totals just over $300.00 including tax.

My best group to date at 100yds is 1 - 1 1/2 iches. I've fired about four boxes through it. I'm very pleased with it. Its easy to shoot. Fits me well. Easy recoil. If I had to be critical about something it would be the trigger guard. Its part of the synthetic stock. But for the cost of the rifle, I'm not losing any sleep over it. I do intend to look hard at one of the Stevens Mod 200's for the same reasons outlined by howie 1968: I enjoy a bargain. The current issue of Rifle Shooter (?) magazine confirms that the Mod 200 is a Savage without the Accu-trigger.

Nothing wrong with the bargain packages. Years ago my father bought a Rem. Mod 788 in .222 with a scope package. He paid, I believe, $124.00 in the mid 70's. He still has it today and it's still a tack driver. In my neck of the woods one would be lucky to find ANY Mod 788 for less than $350.00 today.

Keep the package deals coming!

Thanks, EVOC ONE

Ramrod · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2005, 12:13:29 PM »

Quote from: beemanbeme

Everybody likes nice things. You just have to define "nice". To a fellow on a very tight budget, a 710 can be very nice. Especially compared to the $35.00 Ethiopian mauser he was shooting. And, as posted, you can do a lot of shooting, have a lot of fun, and kill a lot of game without having a rifle that cost the price of a small auto.
If a fellow can afford it, or its worth it to him as an ego thing, (like the guy that drives a hummer to his job at the 7/11) then I say go for it. But that's not the only way. And low rating the other fellow's speckled pup doesn't make yours any better.

Wait a minute! I like nice things too, but as a Mauser fan, I would take the Ethiopian (if there was such a thing) over the Rem. 710 any day of the week. Some of us just don't see plastic stocks and bead blasted or tool-marked metal as an improvement over wood and polished steel. That's how I define "nice".

Mac11700 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2005, 08:20:52 PM »

To each his own...that's what makes us different...I like what is called a cheap rifle...it's a NEF single shot...and by far they are some ...not all mind you...but some of the most accurate rifles I own...and for the money spent...they win hands down ......but not everyone likes them...or any single shot......you can dress up any rifle to make it look better and shoot better,provided there are parts available...so what if it only cost a couple hundred bucks...it's the person pulling the trigger who's opinion really counts...the main thing for me is being able to get aftermarket parts for them...and when they start offering them...I'll consider buying them...so much the better if they are accurate...until then...I'll stick with the brands that offer me the option of fixing them up...heck...that's half the fun...since I saved all that extra money by buying the cheaper...oops..(less expensive) ones :wink: if I want one that is already tricked out...I'll take a Weatherby...Mark 5...or one of the new Vangaurd Sporters...heck...if spending that much...a new Sako would fill the bill as well......it's all about options...and the newer less expensive ones provide more options to choose from...

Mac

Brithunter · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2005, 03:50:15 PM »

Hi All,

Well it seems that only the US can make anything according to some here, Eurotrash scopes really. Grow up for christs sake.

I also would take an old Mauser over nearly ANY remington, except the old Model 30 and the P-14/17 rifles

The original poster likes the "cheap package rifles" well more power to them. I have some what can be classed as cheap rifles as well although the "package idea does not popular here in the UK". My Baikal 18-MH single shot rifle is a cheap rifle which took some work on it making it more pleasing to the eye and a little action work to lighten the trigger pull and smooth it up, Why Baikal have dropped their quality I do not know as the old SxS Baikal shotgun which was my first one was much better finished than this rifle was

As of yet I have never shot a Savage rifle, looked over a Model 110 in .308 the other day and would like to see how it shoots but as I have a nice CZ 601 in .308 which was also classed as a cheap rifle, I can't really justify it even if the price is really good. Looks like it's amost new and I could get it for about $225 US no scope though.

One thing about this hobby is that you can all have different tastes, my "thing" to collect is the BSA rifles followed by the Parker-Hale ones it's each to their own but making stupid comments on what is a world wide reknowned product like the European optics are, and I do mean world wide and not USA wide

is just plain stupid.

PEPAW · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2005, 04:45:04 AM »

I have some really "inexpensive" guns also. From a hunting standpoint, they are perfect. And I have been known to spray paint those ugly stocks, not something I would do with a Mark V. My last "inexpensive" purchase was a HOWA 1500 .270 that is on sale here today with a scope for $378.

But lately I am buying more wood stocks because they are more quiet in the field. Not that hollow sound when bumped or scratched. Nothing wrong in my book with buying a "inexpensive" package and later finding a good, fitted stock. Lots of stocks on the markets today, but unfortunately most cost more than the package guns!

If I was in the market for a new rifle, I would definitely look at that new stevens. The price is already rising, but still under $300 for what is reported to be a nice rifle.

pepaw