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« on: January 25, 2005, 04:15:19 AM »
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   Last evening Jan 24, at 15:00 hrs I took my vhs recorder and headed for my tower stand to  record some pictures of some wildlife. The day before that Jan 23, I was in a stand and 2 pretty little does, came by me about 16:45 hrs, to feed on the corn from my corn feeders, and I didn`t have a camera or my VHS recorder with me to get their pictures.
 Will I thought this evening Jan 24th that is, I will get some nice movie pictures if they do come by again. Had my 444 Marlin Rifle with me just in case a nice big old bobcat, coyote, dog, anything of predator nature came by as well. Well as what usually happenes, nothing came by at all except for some grey squirrels. Their was no wind, and the leaves on the forest floor was as dry as post toasty`s, so you could have heard a mouse, walking from 100 yards away. The sun went down and the full moon came up. I had heard a few tree knocks, back to the ease of me about 3 hundred yards , but I got a neighbor about 1/4 mile to the east, and thought maybe it was just him, doing something in his yard.
    Well their was nothing moving at all, except for 2 little grey squirrels, at the bottowm of my stand, gathering up some acorns, and some turkeys calling way back in the bottoms, about 1/4 of a mile to the north.
Like I was a saying it was dark now, and The moon was beautiful, and I could see for quit a distance, but was having a hard time seeing the crosshairs on my scoped 444 Marlin rifle, so I decided to go home.
   I climbed down the ladder, and had just reached the ground, bent over to pick up my backpack, when their was two long monkey grunts, to my north about 100 yards. I looked up to see a 5ft dark figure, with what appeared to be yellow eyes, reflecting off the full moon, looking at me. Yeah I was pretty shook up, but the strange thing is, I wasn`t that scared, cause like I said, there was a full moon and I could at least see where I was a stepping without a light on. Will I got the feeling that I should just get out of there, but the stubborness in me said ( this is what you keep looking for, go to it and see what happens). So I was torn between fleewing, and going towards it. I dont know why (I quess I was just mad at myself, for feeling fear). But all of these years of having encounters, in the past and fleeing, (when I been by my self that is). just made me mad, and I wasnt going to run from the bully anymore. (bully from the stand point in that he always seems so imtimadating). So with rifle in hand, I headed for him. Yeah, I was scared-- scared as the thought of going to hell, everyhair on my body was raised straight up, rigid. As I was walking toward him, the fear was their, but so was the anger, The thought of ok, you son of a witch, lets see what you really are.
As I was closing the gap, he stood his ground. I`ve closed the gap 25 yards, and he is still there staring at me with one yellow eye, not two eyes. I keep going the two division in me (run, or fight) were more than ever before. I keep the rifle down to my side, I didn`t point it at him, more of a piece of luggage that i`m carring than a weapon, that what I wanted to make him think, A big funny looking stick if you will.-----------
The distance now if 50 yards, and he is still standing there, I`m mentally counting off the distance in my head so that if he charges, -- I will know how hi or low to shoot. All of a sudden he grunts, a low gluttoral grunt --Like a gorilla, sort of. He moves to the west, and start`s walking away to my right, which would be to the west. I find out that he had been standing behind a tree, and thats the reason I was only seeing one eye. I stop cold in my tracks. He`s moving and I dont want to seem like i`m being hostile. My fear has subsided, but its still there. The madness, in me is starting to melt away, as I realize, that maybe, just maybe, he thought from that orginally distance of 100 yards, as I was standing on the ground bent over picking up my bag, that I was one of their kind. I`m 6ft and weigh 330 lbs, and have a white-grey beard.
   He slowly disappears in the dark shadows of the night. I retreat back to the house. As I`m walking back to the house my legs, start to give away, and I`m haveing a little diffucluty walking cause the realization has sit in. The fear is gone and so is the anger and madness.
   Once I reach the safety zone of the house, I sit on the picnick bench, in the yard, and start grunting in the night hoping he would answer me. --He never did.---The dogs, back down in the west canyon start to barking 1/2 mile to the west, and I know what they are barking at.
   Tonight I`m going back, I`m going to leave food at the spot where I saw him, Hopefully he will be back also, I think this is a travel corridor, cause This part of the hill has had many sightings. Oh yeah, I will have my 00 buck shotgun, just in case, instead of my 444. And yes I will sit some game camers out there also.

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 06:00:49 AM »
Very interesting story. I can imagine what must go thru one's mind at such a time. Now if I could have such an encounter I have no doubt it would move me form a non convinced to convinced status real quick. Did you not think to turn on the VHS recorder at all during this? Is it one that has adequate low light ability to record during full moon? Most should.

Have you ever made any attempt to communicate with them? If a dumb animal like an ape or bear or whatever then likely they'd not understand what you're saying but who knows perhaps a bigfoot could. I think tone of voice goes a long way also.

I have in the back of my mind a concept that animals who live wild can in some way read the thoughts of us humans. They can at least at some distance and on some level know if our thoughts are to do them harm or of fear or what. I cannot explain the how or why or it but still I can't get over feeling maybe they have some such abilities.

I would love to have been in your shoes for that encounter. I guess I cannot say with certainty what I'd have done. But I really do think I'd have tried to talk with it and I'd like to think I'd have had the presence of mine to turn on the video recorder but who knows. Until you've been there I guess you never know how you'll react in an encounter.


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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2005, 09:35:43 AM »
Hi Graybeard :D
   No I didn`t turn on the vhs, I had left it on the ground when I saw the bigfoot. Call it shock, or fright, I dunno, I just plain forgot about everything when the encounter happened. All I could think about was leaving, but the survival mode kicked in, and all I grabed was the rifle.
   My VHS, is one of those old ones, that I bought at a garage sale for $10.00. All I had to do was buy a new battery, and its works fine. It is a noisy thing however. When I turned it on in the tower stand to get some film of the squirrles playing beneath me, it scared them away. That was the first time I had ever taken it to the woods with me. Its just to noisy, trying to shoot wild game I found out. Now my wife has got one of them new digital  DVD camcorders,


ones, and its quite as a mouse, shes going to let me take it. First she has to teach me how to run it. Its got night filming capabilites. or night vision .
    I did not try to talk to the creature, I was scared witless. It started moving away from me when I got about 50 yards or less from it. It made no noise or gestures at all. Just simply turned and walked away.
    It wasnt till I got back to the house that I felt save or courageous enough to holler back at it, to see if it would respond. I never heard anything other than the dogs, barking down in the valley about mile away.
    I have set 3 outdoor motion detector camera out earlier today, and have set some leftover food on the fence post. Maybe he will come back tonight. I say he, it might have been a female, I couldn`t tell that well. However it was only about 5 ft tall, and I would questimate, its weight about 185--to--200lbs.
     If I get the privilage of a close encounter again, maybe I will try to speak, and see if I get a reaction. Like I was saying earlier, it sure puts you in a survival mode, and time just stands still.
     I`ll be back out there tonight about the same time, so maybe I`ll get that chance.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2005, 10:31:45 AM »
One part of the story is not making sense to me. You said the creature had "yellow eyes, reflecting off the full moon". Then you say that as you approached the creature "starts walking to the right, which is west of me". That would put you coming in toward the creature from a northerly direction. With the moon having just come up in the eastern sky, it would be difficult to get an angle where the creature's eyes reflected moonlight back toward you 75 yards away, unless you were approaching from almost due east. In that case, north would be to your right and west would be straight away from you behind the creature. What gives?
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 02:44:07 PM »
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One part of the story is not making sense to me. You said the creature had "yellow eyes, reflecting off the full moon". Then you say that as you approached the creature "starts walking to the right, which is west of me". That would put you coming in toward the creature from a northerly direction. With the moon having just come up in the eastern sky, it would be difficult to get an angle where the creature's eyes reflected moonlight back toward you 75 yards away, unless you were approaching from almost due east. In that case, north would be to your right and west would be straight away from you behind the creature. What gives?


Ya know huntsman
   There`s one in every bar you go in, ya know what I mean bud. :evil:
I`m talking about your ending of your letter (what up), the way you said that (what`s up) could be misconstrued that I`m a liar. "The story stands like I told it. "Ya know huntsman,--- the creature could have been faceing just barely enough east when I first saw him, that it caught the moon in the one eye that I saw. I dont take a tape measure with me to measure out these details. You can read the true story for amusement or not, I dont care what you think.
 

you have a good day now :shock:
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2005, 02:46:39 PM »
I meant to say (what gives instead of what`s up) but to me it means the same.

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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2005, 02:52:25 PM »
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  I did go out to the same location with my 00buck this time. Did not see a thing, this time. The cameras are armed and loaded to take any pictures, if he walks the same path as last night however.  I did set some left over fish out for him, so if he comes by later tonight I`ll have his mug shot. :-D  :-D

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2005, 03:05:43 PM »
Sure would be nice to have a picture of what ever it was. Good luck. :D
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2005, 03:08:47 PM »
Hey BulletMaker,

Great Bigfoot sighting report.
Please keep us all posted if anything else happens.
Good huntin,' and take care out there in the wilds.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2005, 04:20:37 PM »
You left him some old dead fish and expect him to come to that?  :eek:  Now think on this a minute. Iffen I called you up and said hey bulletmaker, come on over and eat some old dead fish with me would you?  :lol:  But now iffen I said hey bullet maker I have a nice big juicy steak cooked jist the way you like it or some baked beans and bacon or some roast pork I'll bet you'd come a running.  :)

Them big feets ain't no different. They just wanna good meal. Heck it's cold out there and they need a warm filling mean like us. Now you whip up a good meal for him and see iffen he won't come back. He might even think kinda enough next time to not run off. Dunno. Just a thought. Big Bill won't share his baked beans with his bigfoot and it won't come in close enough to be seen just hollars at him.  :)


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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 05:51:02 PM »
Bullet Maker,

I didn't intend in any way with my post to call you a liar. I happen to believe that a large hominid exists in the wild places of North America. I feel confident you saw one. What I was trying to do was picture the scene in my head, and I got confused when you said the creature went west, because in my head it was supposed to be north. With angles and postures of both you and the creature, there's a lot of room for it to happen just about like you said, but it just didn't come out right in my head. I wasn't there, so it's hard for me to picture it, that's all. I thought maybe there was a bit of further explanation you might have that could clear it up for me. That's what I meant by "what gives?"

Sorry if you took offense, none was intended. I certainly don't question your integrity. Keep those stories coming and keep after your 'squatch. You may just be the first to bring home the solid evidence that will finally shut the naysayers up.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2005, 06:48:12 PM »
bullet maker you just keep doing what you've been doing and keep us posted with what's going on there in NDN country

i'll still buy that cup of joe and that lunch when i come over for the evening sometime
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 12:59:57 AM »
bulletmaker;  Thats awesome and go slow your starting to make a connection with them.  Take it slow because bonding, trust  and friendship will take time and i think soon you'll have it eating out of your hand.  Thats awesome and i wish i was there to see it too.         BigBill

I told my misses i need good night vision because i want to see it just once and she said why do you want to see it?  I think just to prove to myself what it is and what is out there.  Its learning about the unknown.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2005, 03:12:22 AM »
This story has more inconsistencies than a used car salesman. Wow besides that I was having a really tough time just following this story. Maybe you should see your local conservation officer about this one or the local Psychiatrist I am not sure which.

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2005, 04:43:57 AM »
Thanks for the post and update Bulletmaker.  Looking forward to your next report, which I hope is soon.

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2005, 05:05:10 AM »
Rwalter63, since you're new to this forum I'll review the rules of it for you.

This forum has been set up for those who believe in such to share their experiences and beliefs. It most specifically was NOT set up for none believers to come and taut those who do. Everyone is welcome to read. Anyone who has something of value to add is welcome to post.

BUT if your only purpose in coming here is to deride and criticize you'd be well advised to move on to other forums or other sites. Your post borders on a personal attack also, that will get you canned from GBO real fast.

So if you have specific questions for Bullet Maker regarding this post ask them. If you have specific comments on any aspect of the story state them. If all you want to do is to criticize and try to say he is being untruthful then get off this forum and move on to the others on the site or to another site entirely.

You've now been informed of how this forum is run. What you do next determines what I do next.


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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2005, 05:34:14 AM »
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Bullet Maker,

I didn't intend in any way with my post to call you a liar. I happen to believe that a large hominid exists in the wild places of North America. I feel confident you saw one. What I was trying to do was picture the scene in my head, and I got confused when you said the creature went west, because in my head it was supposed to be north. With angles and postures of both you and the creature, there's a lot of room for it to happen just about like you said, but it just didn't come out right in my head. I wasn't there, so it's hard for me to picture it, that's all. I thought maybe there was a bit of further explanation you might have that could clear it up for me. That's what I meant by "what gives?"

Sorry if you took offense, none was intended. I certainly don't question your integrity. Keep those stories coming and keep after your 'squatch. You may just be the first to bring home the solid evidence that will finally shut the naysayers up.


Hi huntsman :D
  I accept your apology, and please accept mine  :oops: I reread my post, and yes you are correct. I made a mistake when I said he was to the north,-- he was actually to the south of me.  That`s`what I get for not proof-reading my post, and for being in a hurry to post them. So you was correct in assuming what you did. It was my error. Other than that, the rest of the post is correct. I welcome any questions you have of the creature, posted here or  personal post if you would like.
   I see you are from San Antonio, me and the wife with our grandson, plan on takeing amtrak down there maybe this winter, its to hot down there in the summer for me. :-D  :-D
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2005, 05:47:37 AM »
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You left him some old dead fish and expect him to come to that?  :eek:  Now think on this a minute. Iffen I called you up and said hey bulletmaker, come on over and eat some old dead fish with me would you?  :lol:  But now iffen I said hey bullet maker I have a nice big juicy steak cooked jist the way you like it or some baked beans and bacon or some roast pork I'll bet you'd come a running.  :)

Them big feets ain't no different. They just wanna good meal. Heck it's cold out there and they need a warm filling mean like us. Now you whip up a good meal for him and see iffen he won't come back. He might even think kinda enough next time to not run off. Dunno. Just a thought. Big Bill won't share his baked beans with his bigfoot and it won't come in close enough to be seen just hollars at him.  :)


Hi Graybeard :D
   The trouble with leaving him (bigfoot) a nice meal out here, is the hillbilly neighbors, I have :-D  :-D . Out here people are so hungry that (they eat, what don`t eat them), :-D  :-D . A couple of years back, I had a family reunion, smoked pork ribs, beer can chicken, home made fries, baked cowboy beans, grilled fish, and a few kegs of beer, iced down in the wood shed.( We men folks don`t drink around the kids or wifes) but there was a path worn in the grass from the men going to the wood shed. :-D  :-D  Anyways, there was more relatives than you could shake a stick at. Then I got to realizing, heck :eek: more than half of them was my hillbilly neighbors :-D  :-D . We I laughed and thought were all related from Adam and Eve anyhow :)  :)

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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2005, 12:12:09 PM »
Heck Hillbillies ??? this ole Army grunt can smell a cold beer from a mile away.
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2005, 01:40:11 PM »
Hello all... Yes I am new to the board and I will make an introduction later, but I had to respond to this post first...

There are alot of wierd and strange things out there in the woods. Only those of us who live in the woods know and inderstand that.

My question is what kind of shotgun did you take with you? I ask because I am trying to find a good shotgun for backwoods protection for wildlife and possible unknown encounters. I am not a nutcase, I have just seen some wierd things in the woods...

So please tell what kind of shotgun you had with you!...
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2005, 06:11:28 PM »
Hello RedRyder21 :D
   And welcome to the board. To answer your question, If I know that I`m going to be bigfoot hunting, I carry a Remington 870 pump, using 3 inch mag 00 buck. I have two barrels for it, one is 30 inch full choke, plain barrel, and the other is an 18 and 1/2 inch barrel.
   If I`m just predator hunting, I carry a 444 Marlin, using 300 grain bullets, that I make myself, I make a 300 grain flat point bullet, with a muzzle of 2,100 F.P.S. It shoots a 1 inch group with 5 shots at 100 yards. The reason I carry such a big bore rifle while predator hunting is, because we have some really big old hogs. some are 600lbs, but most are the 400 lb range. These are free ranging wild hogs, some are the mule foot ( which will go 600lbs, some are the feral type, and the others are the razor back`s. The razor backs are the ones I worry the most about, they just have a mean streak.
    If I`m going to be out in the dark, with no moon for back light, then I like the 18 and 1/2 inch barrel, with my Rem pump using 00 buck. If I`m bigfoot hunting on a full moon night, then sometimes I take the 30 inch barrel.

   Where about it Missouri are you from. And do you have some bigfoot stories? If you do, we would like to hear them. Even if their second hand.

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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2005, 08:02:59 PM »
BM have you been back out since that last report? Have the cameras recorded anything to tell us about?


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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2005, 02:35:23 AM »
Hi Greybeard :D
   The very next night I went out (25th Jan). All of the fish was gone. I checked the camera`s out and some had 7 hits, others had 12 and the third had 15 hits. I went on to my tower stand cause it was starting to get dark. At 19:30 hrs, the camera`s started to flashing again, mean something was coming my way. I got my nightvision on it, and it was 3 of the biggest racoon`s i`ve ever seen. :-D They stayed digging around for leftover`s , and then finally left in about 20 minutes. I continued to stay till 23:00 hrs. Nothing else came by, so I went home after I picked up the camera`s. I could hardly sleep, I wanted to know what was on the film. So next morning, I took all three film from the camera`s to be developed at the 1 hour photo places, (a 20 mile drive). Well to make a long story short, they was all racoons. every picture :cry: , thats ok though, I`ll keep on trying, all it takes is one really good picture.
   Oh, and by the way, I`m taking my (Sony 8mm movie camera )with me now, its real quite while its filming. No, the wife won`t let me take her expensive cam corder one :cry:
   Went out last night Jan, 29th, nothing happened, not even the racoons. Now what I should explain is that most of the time, probably 90%, nothing at all, except for the usual wild life. But that 10% that it does, it gets real interesting :shock: .  I`ll keep you-all informed, I`m not giving up.

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2005, 10:53:54 AM »
Hello bulletmaker, great story, keep us posted.  Have you reported any sightings to the BFRO?  They are the only organization (they claim) to be doing sceintific studies about bigfoot.  They have a great website, www.bfro.net, with a large database of sightings from all over the continent.  They also have some good tips as they do lots of field expeditions in various parts of the country.  I can't wait until they have one close to Missouri, I would love to join them!
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2005, 01:53:06 AM »
Hello jritter :D
   And welcome. To answer your question, yes I do know about the BFRO, they are nice people, and have alot of money for the chase of bigfoot. They are the one that are on (Mysterious Encounters), that  chase about the country looking for bigfoot. The main person (Autum Williams?) I believe her name is, is the cute little  female blonde, that more or less MC`S the show. You probably have seen the show, it comes on OLN channel, wednesday night. It gets a lot of critizim from the bigfoot crowd in general, because they have these high dollar equipment to hunt bigfoot but always fall short of getting pictures of him. I don`t know how they are related to BFRO, but the name BFRO, is stamped all over their equipment.
  One of my lease deer hunters, had an encounter while hunting deer on my property, and related it to the BFRO. They contacted me about publishing it on their web site, and I gave them permission.
    Their are other Bigfoot sites as well, such as GCBRO, (Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization), run by a gentleman named (Bobby Hamilton) all are very nice people. The GCBRO, has most of my stories on their web-site. But I prefer Graybeards, cause its more personnel, and more family run. It seems that more people will come out with their experiences on a family site such as this one, than on the profession`l site`s. On the professionl`s sites, their is a lot of back stabbing and name calling, so honest people that have a lot to say will stay clear of them sites. Not saying that the sites I just mentioned are that way, but there are alot of sites that are, and some trouble makers visit those site`s that I just mentioned as well.
   What part of Missouri are you from? Got any stories of your own, dont be shy, lets hear them.

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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2005, 12:49:20 PM »
Guys on one of the ME shows they said that Autum Williams had her own encounter which got her into studying this bigfoot thing.      BigBill

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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2005, 01:27:11 PM »
I'm from a little south of St. Louis, Jefferson County.  Sorry, I don't have any stories, the subject has always been a fascination of mine ever since I was little.  I think it was those old Leonard Nemoy specials in the 70's that scared the crap out of me.  
My wife and I have both been volunteer naturalists for the Missouri Dept. of Conservation, and have a strong interest in nature.  
She doesn't share my interest in bigfoot though, I take a lot of ribbing from her.  
I think human arrogance prevents a better understanding of many of the mysteries in the world.  It was only a few hundred years ago they thought the world was flat and they didn't even know this continent existed.  Scientists are finding new creatures all of the time, in all sorts of places.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2005, 03:12:46 AM »
Awesome encounter BM !!

What other foods have you tried ?

May i recommend a couple things that have worked for me and others ?
Buttered popcorn, roasted chicken, mac-n-cheese, apples.
I place them in such a way, that coons cant get to the bait. I would wait a few times before setting out a trap-cam, to get the BFs adjusted to the bait station. You can gradually move the station until its in your backyard, letting you set up equipment thats not dependent on batteries.

Also, if and when you have another encounter, some things to keep in mind about apes in general (and i believe BFs are an ape), display of an open palm towards them is a sign of non-aggression. Smile, but dont show teeth. Showing teeth IS a sign of aggression !! Make your movements slow and deliberate, no sudden movements or they will spook.

I salute your intestinal fortitude on approaching the animal !! Not many can do that without a change of underwear  :)
If your going to walk on thin ice, you might as well Dance  :grin: