H&R's non mag mag

[buckslayer]

THE .280 rem. i thought about getting a t/c 7mm mag for practiceing long range shooting on deer. then i got looking a balistics tables for long range,deer size game bullets. the .280 comes very close too the energy and valocity and is just as flat as the 7mm. my .280 is extremly accurate and can do any thing the t/c 7mm mag can do!!!!!!!

[Brett]

Yep, with hot hand loads and the 26" barrel I you are probably knocking right at the 7mm Mags' back door.

[Ditchdigger]

When I saw the title of this thread,I knew right off that it had to be about the 280. I'm getting 2975 fps with 150 gr. corlokts ammo,and I think my reloads are beating that. I loaded some 139 gr. Hornady's with 59 grs. of Reloader 22 and they are shooting 2" higher than the 150's so I think I'm getting into 7 mag territory with this load. I use my 280 barrel more than any of my barrels.  Digger

[James B]

I had a 7 Mag and a 280 at the same time. One was a model 70 Winchester. It would nat shoot the 140 grain bullets quite as fast as the 280. This I am sure is a rare case but the 7MM showed pressure signs when it got even close to the 280 velocity. I just load my NEF 280 to about 2850 fps with the 120 grain Sierra Pro hunter. It kills deer FAST.

[quickdtoo]

Hmmm, interesting....max average pressures

.25-06 Remington 63,000
 
.257 Roberts+P  58,000 .

.264 Win Mag    64,000  
 
.270 Winchester  65,000  

.280 Remington   60,000

.308 Winchester  62,000
 
.30-06 Springfield  60,000

7mm Rem Mag  61,000  
 
.300 Win Mag    64,000
 
 
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/saami_pressures.htm

[Coastwatcher]

I'm thinking of either the .270 or .280.  Which would you choose a for large deer and why?   Mostly I hunt with a .243 and would like something between it and my /06.

[Mac11700]

I'm thinking of either the .270 or .280.  Which would you choose a for large deer and why?   Mostly I hunt with a .243 and would like something between it and my /06.

Ohhhhh,I shouldn't...but what the heck....wellllll...something in between...lets see...you got the 25-06...absolutly a great cartridge...and in several of our rifles here...truely outstanding in the accuracy department....then...you got your 270...again...a fabulous caliber...simply fabulous...then  moving right up the bullet size chart...we have the 7-08...another stellar preformer...then if you could find any...the 7 x 57...or the 7 x 64 Brenneke...both no longer made...but highly desirable never-the-less...and then of course we have the venerable 280...another top-notch cartridge...and rightly so....then...moving up another bullet size  notch...we have the beloved 30-30...truely a all time perinial favorite...treuly a handloaders dream...(as I am finding out again)...moving on...we come to one fine all around cartridge...much loved by all who shoot it...the 308....soooo...that's about the what's between  your 243...and the 30-06......and to my choice for large deer...any one of them will do just fine.....and then some....but just to let ya know...I'm partial to....well...heck....I'm partial to them all..........

Hi ....I'm Mac....and after all....I'm a Handi-Holic :wink:

Mac

[riddleofsteel]

When ever you get to 30-06 case capacity and start necking down, i.e 25-06, .270, .280, 6.5-06, 6mm-06 you are in the magnum without a belt area. When you start shooting one of these cartridges with the ideal powder and bullet combos you start looking at the belted magnums and wondering why???
For hunting deer size game at distances most of us have any business shooting at a game animal why would you need a belted magnum's performance when you have got the 30-06 family.

Make mine a 25-06.

[bajabill]

You already have your big deer gun, the 30-06!!!

I have a 30-06 and a 243, recently I "filled the gap" with a 270wsm.  I think the bullet weight ranges of the 7mm are too close to the 308 so I opted for the 277 diameter to better span into the 100/110 weights and leave the 70-90 grainers for the 243.  I dont like 110's in the 308 diameter.  THe 7mm is a great bullet diameter and has a bunch of choices for the handloader (not as much as the 308s though) but I did not want two guns that close in application, if I started with a 7mm I would never get a 30 cal, but now I would be eying the 325wsm.  I think the 8mm is too close to the 308 so I wont go that direction and I am stuck waiting for a 35 wheelen to fall in my lap.  But, in the end, I hunt with the 30-06 and the 12 gage, period.  The BC 45/70 Im getting later this week will not be used to hunt with either most likely.

[Mac11700]

Each caliber can be loaded to whatever level you desire...and if you don't like 1 on a certain day...you have another to fill what ever you want to hunt with...

bajabill:

Have you ever tried a 110 grain varmint bullet out of a 30-30 Handi?...It makes a fine round and doesn't beat you up as bad as some of the others...

Mac

[bajabill]

No, I havent used any 110s in the 30 cal, I do love the 125 speer TNT out of my 06 though.  It is my target load, easy on the shoulder and would expand on the occasional woodchuck/skunk/coon that happens to be digging holes in the barn or opening the feed bins!

I have always though the 125/130 SSP bullet is the way to go with a 30-30.  I think even with a marlin lever gun, load one in the chamber and one in the magazine, two quick shots is more than enough.  This bullet will carry more downrange energy and increase PBRange a bunch compared to the factory round nose, while the bullet is designed to perform at the 30-30 velocities, that cant be said about the normal 150 spitzer in 30cal.

[Mac11700]

Your right there about the 150's...unless of course you use 2 bullets that will expand at the 30-30 velocities...at least that what the Nosler techs tell me...that would be their 150 grain Partition spitzer and the ballistic tip...granted they won't have the explosive impact if driven at the higher velocities...but they will expand at  the normal hunting ranges with the cartridge and work rather well...but so to will the lighter bullets...with the 30-30...

Mac