trappnman,thanks for the info-i was real excited about my first yote but not near as excited as my 6 year son thar was with me.if you or anyone else reading this has time,could a stepdown set be explained.i have read about them on the forum but i need some more info on them.thanks for your help.this is my first year trapping and have enjoyed it.there is a lot to learn but it is great.geargia boy