Author Topic: Check out this customized H&R! (Read 1634 times)

Mainer · « **on:** January 17, 2005, 03:25:26 AM »

Take a look at this: :shock:

http://www.thegungarage.com/308%20Bellm%20project/308bellm.htm

Donaldo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:19:07 AM »

Fred,
This is exactly what I had in mind. Check this out if it stays on the site. I thought it had a "forbidden" word in it. If it is gone when you get here let me know and I will email you the site url. As usual, anything I think of has already been done.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2005, 06:26:28 AM »

Graybeard's words of advice concerning that smith..

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That individual has been banned from this site for being a trouble maker and improper business practices. The name is on the censored word list. My personal opinion is if you listen to his advice you'll be going far wrong and that is also the opinion of most informed folks in the industry. Waste your time and money if you wish. It's yours to waste.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:04:39 AM »

Ya beat me to it Quick... :wink:

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:14:28 AM »

:grin:

v8r · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2005, 07:53:26 AM »

That is what you can do if you have the proper equipment and knowledge.I think all this individual needs to do now is order a stockset from gunstocks Inc.Nice rifle .

Mac11700 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2005, 08:17:26 AM »

If I remember correctly...from the old forum...this work goes for around $350 with out barrel muzzel brake...not counting the cost of the rifle...it would be 1 expensive proposition for sure...and then absolutly NO-Garantee it will shoot properly...and I've seen the proported velocities that some on his forum was promoting...and even Mike B**** had to step in and make him not post them...If your wanting a wildcat...fine...like GB said...it's your nickle...but that same money can be spent doing a quality rebore/rechamber on an exsisting barrel...just like Fred M has done,and what others here are planning on doing...Fred even went a step further and had it made into an octagon barrel...and a new barrel stud put on...so...you spend all that money...on a new custom barrel...you still won't be able to exceed the pressures and frame limitations that the Handi's are rated for...I can't blame anyone for wanting a top-end shilen barrel on their Handi rifle...but...there are other options you can choose just to gain a-little that don't cost near as much...

Mac

Lone Star · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2005, 08:18:25 AM »

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That is what you can do if you have the proper equipment and knowledge.

Apparently he does not have the latter, according to GB anyway. Regardless, it is a strange idea cutting a barrel back to 16" and putting on a 6" long muzzle brake (?!). All for what is nothing more than a long-necked, rimmed .308 Winchester. I'll bet that's a loud SOB, and with mediocre ballistics for such a long rifle for all that trouble. To each his own of course, but what a strange choice...

Fred M · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2005, 10:38:50 AM »

The whole concept is ludicrouse. Powder gases whash that alu brake away in no time. What is more desturbing is the chamber wall of the barrel stub is only 0.171". That is what is called the stand alone dimension to withstand the chamber pressure. The threaded sleave is not part of the equation.

The sleave that holds the barrel inplace should have thinner walls and smaller threads to increase the barrel stub diameter. Even with the minmum sleave wall, the barrel stub is not big enough to qualify for a safe standard. If that was in Europe the design would not get approved let alone proof tested. Even a rechambering job has to go back to the proof house,

Donaldo and I have gone through this exercize before. Same as a bolt action, the action wall around the barrel tenon is not part of the strength
requirement. The threaded part of one inch is what holds the chamber together, and that leaves you with 0.256 around the chamber or 34% more metal around the chamber,

Or if you consider the H&R 06 type chambers you have 0.331" metal around the chamber.that is nealy double the metal.

If he was to silver solder the barrel and the sleave together this would again provide a unified body.

Donaldo · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2005, 03:26:58 PM »

I don't know squat about the cartridge, the 30 Bel......whatever and could care less. My main idea was to get interchangable barrels. If you think that is a goofy idea, so be it. I explored the possibilities and Fred and I both came to the conclusion that there would not be enough material to do the job. I do however still want a 6mmBR in a Handi. And I want a fast twist, like 1/9 or 1/8. Anyone want to chime in on that, as to how to get one. You cant rechamber a 243. I guess you could rechamber and rebore a Hornet, but I wanted a GOOD barrel. Like a Shilen or Hart or others. I really don't give a rip whether it is practical or not.

knight0334 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2005, 03:41:51 PM »

WOW!! thats some really nice work!

Gives me ideas for a custom Handi for myself.

v8r · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2005, 04:50:41 PM »

Are there any aftermarket barrel makers that sell a barrel blank that is close to the right diameter ? If it was a larger diameter,it could be machined down.Any machinest could make a barrel lug and the barrel stud.You could also dovetail the barrel stud into the barrel blank.I think the man has some machinist skills,but maybe not gunsmith skills.I didn't get the short barrel,or the compensator either.I will say he did a nice job putting the barrel together,but I think if I was going through all that trouble I would make the barrel lug and forearm stud, and welded them to the barrel blank. :grin:

Fred M · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2005, 05:04:45 PM »

Donaldo.
There is only one H&R caliber you can turn inti a 6mmBR and that is a 22 Hornet. But the thin and short Hornet barrels would not be my idea for a conversion.

Here is what I have in mind which is about the same as a 6mmBR. and that is a 6mmx47 based on the 222Rem Mag case. This is a super accurate cartridge and well suited for a Handi using the 223 bull barrel rebore and rechamber. It would be a lot cheaper than sleaving and silver soldering. a 1-12" twist would do even for deer.

Buckeye · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2005, 05:09:58 PM »

All that time & trouble to transform a perfectly great rifle to a custom gun that shoots a unheard of wildcat that would be a ballistic equal of a 300 Savage !
Why not just go to Wal-mart and purchase a 30.06 or a 308win. or a 30/30 handi ? I guess thats to simple !

jbtazgrabber · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2005, 05:51:33 PM »

why go to all that trouble///////get a lug off older mod ,,get a barrelof good quality...go to yellow pages.find a machine shop to turn the barrel down to what YOU want.....WELD THE LUG......rent a reamer and or have a smith rechamber.....chamber.....drill and tap .blue???teflon????or paint :roll: it.......its not that hard.......i had the vo tech school turn a couple gun barrel 4 me ,,,,,ok its been awhile.....its only money ....but then you have something no one else has........your own creaton......JB

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2005, 05:36:48 AM »

Here is my lil creation....a case stickin .308 rechambered to .307 Winchester ..barrel shortened to 14" and a Wh_te Muzzle Brake permanently attached..

Breaks down to a small lil package too....shoots great... :roll:

jeff223 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2005, 05:52:48 AM »

i wonder if the ATF would be happy about the barrel lenght?

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2005, 09:43:23 AM »

Jeff....barrel is 14 inches WITH a 3-1/2 inch brake PERMANENTLY attached to it......nothing they could say ("other than why would anybody want to do that??") ...it's a legal 17-1/2 inches long..... :-)

jeff223 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2005, 11:39:52 AM »

how does that baby shoot?

Deadeye47 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2005, 02:15:33 PM »

not too bad but but I have not been able to work up any good loads for it yet...too many irons(calibers) in the fire...hopefully soon I can get some good range time in with it.....and yes..it's loud! It's not one of those rifles that ya can go to a range and have someone on either side of ya and shoot. but by yourself it is fun to shoot! I have moved back to where I was born and now have a range that I pretty much have to myself during the week...nice!! So hopefully I can again get back into doing some serious shooting and get some good loads developed for several of my rifles....I've just about got my little set up ready so I can handload at the range....that is the best way to develope a good shooting rifle. Come on good sunny Texas weather!!!