Author Topic: Sako & Tikka beat Weatherby's written accuracy guarantee (Read 2375 times)

Zachary · « **on:** August 15, 2004, 02:49:45 PM »

For many years the only company that would provide a written accuracy guarantee for its production rifles was Weatherby - 1.5" at 100 yards. Well, it looks like Sako and Tikka just beat it.

For a few years now Sako and Tikka would simply say that their rifles would have to shoot 1MOA before they left the factory. That may be great and true, but, as some of the Weatherby fans would point out, there wasn't a WRITTEN guarantee.

Now, it appears that Sako and Tikka are providing written guarantees. Specifically, Sako guarantees a 5 SHOT 1MOA, and Tikka guarantees a 3 SHOT 1MOA! :eek:

Zachary

Sigma · « **Reply #1 on:** August 15, 2004, 03:24:44 PM »

Zachary,

Lawdog and I had a discussion about that a while back. I'm a Sako/Tikka fan, he's a Weatherby fan. Where did you get the info that they're now providing a written guarantee?

Regards

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2004, 01:34:38 AM »

Yup I've seen their ads with the warranty claim.

But to be honest I've owned over 100 Remington center fire rifles and never yet owned one that wouldn't easily beat MOA even without a guarantee. So who needs it?

Zachary · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2004, 03:08:21 AM »

Quote from: Sigma

Zachary,

Lawdog and I had a discussion about that a while back. I'm a Sako/Tikka fan, he's a Weatherby fan. Where did you get the info that they're now providing a written guarantee?

Regards

I remember the discussion, but the whole premise there (at least at that time) was that Sako & Tikka didn't have a WRITTEN guarantee. Now that's changed.

I, like GB, saw it in numerous ads.

Zachary

7magWoodsman · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2004, 03:11:20 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard

Yup I've seen their ads with the warranty claim.

But to be honest I've owned over 100 Remington center fire rifles and never yet owned one that wouldn't easily beat MOA even without a guarantee. So who needs it?

That's exactly what I was thinking too.
All my Remingtons as well as my Ruger M77.
I am not putting down Sakos or Tikkas though, my cousin has a Sako .270 and it is a wonderful example of a great shooting rifle.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2004, 04:04:37 AM »

I am a Sako and Tikka fan also, I have one of each. They are great guns. I do have other rifles that will shoot just a will, but not look as good.

mountainview · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2004, 07:18:40 AM »

Ditto what GB said. I'll also add it is nice to see what the firearm can do at the factory under textbook conditions but I'm usually far more interested in how it is going to perform when I am behind the buttplate shooting the ammo I intend to be using.

Safe shooting.

Zachary · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2004, 09:39:42 AM »

I also own many remington 700s, and all of them shoot MOA or better. Still, if that's the case, and it is - at least for me, GB, and others, then why doesn't Remington just offer the written guarantee? They should have nothing to loose right? I guess the same thing goes for Savage. I don't like 'em, but there's no disputing that they are MOA guns.

Zachary

Longcruise · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2004, 10:55:30 AM »

I wish savage had a guarantee like the tikka and or weatherby!

If they did, my 7-08 model 10 would have been jammed up the factrory back door long ago

Lawdog · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2004, 11:42:55 AM »

Zachary,

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Well, it looks like Sako and Tikka just beat it.

Please don't get me wrong as I believe the Sako is an excellent rifle. I have never said it isn't, I own a couple of Sako rifles. But I just went through their web site and couldnt find the written accuracy guarantee anywhere. Also downloaded the owners manual and couldnt find it there either. Could you please direct me to where it is at on their site so I may read it? Lawdog

longwinters · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2004, 12:25:53 PM »

It is in all their current adds in the hunting/shoots rags.

Long

Zachary · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2004, 05:06:18 PM »

Lawdog,

Yea, it's in a bunch of current gun and hunting magazines.

Zachary

mountainview · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2004, 04:44:46 AM »

Zach, I suspect that the reason others do not include the accuracy guarantee is twofold and a direct function of cost.
1) Cost of litigation from folks who did not read the fine print and would expect the accuracy guarantee to apply even when scopes not mounted properly etc.
2) Cost of extra work associated with set-up for the test sighting on individual firearms and packaging targets for the buyer. May sound trivial but estimate the time it takes you to do this and then multiply an hourly cost and then figure the cost gets wrapped into the purchase price of an already expensive firearm

Lawdog · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2004, 08:18:14 AM »

Zachary,

Which magazines? I would like to go down and buy one to see the ads myself. Lawdog

Zachary · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2004, 09:42:50 AM »

Lawdog,

Hunting Magazine
September Issue
Sako 75
pg. 115

Guns & Ammo Magazine
September Issue
Tikka T3
pg. 82

I'm sure are others, but this is a good start.

Zachary

Lawdog · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2004, 09:45:18 AM »

Zachary,

Thank you. I'll have to go by the store and see if I can find one. I don't subscribe to "gun rags" as most times the articles are wrote from the manufactures(of the items being tested) point of view. I just find it funny that Sako hasn't put their new warrentee all over their web site. Lawdog

Lolly · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2004, 08:18:42 AM »

SAKO claims that accuracy of <1 moa for 5 rounds @ 100m in their FAQ section under the Beretta website(importers)

Mac11700 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2004, 05:14:23 AM »

I've never owned either one of these fine rifles...is the difference in the guarantee because of the difference in the barrels????Are they both the same or are they produced in seperate plants??Is one just a cheaper version than the other???I'm just curious...sounds like Weatherby will need to step up to the plate to beat this one...

Mac

PS:

Do you think you could post your link to their site?

Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2004, 08:43:43 AM »

Lolly,

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SAKO claims that accuracy of <1 moa for 5 rounds @ 100m in their FAQ section under the Beretta website(importers)

That is the old Sako statement of policy not a written warrentee. What I am looking for is their new "written guarantee". Small groups and tight lines to you. Lawdog

7magWoodsman · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2004, 08:45:26 PM »

Quote from: Lawdog

Lolly,

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SAKO claims that accuracy of <1 moa for 5 rounds @ 100m in their FAQ section under the Beretta website(importers)

That is the old Sako statement of policy not a written warrentee. What I am looking for is their new "written guarantee". Small groups and tight lines to you. Lawdog

According to Weatherby, Tikka does provide a written guarantee. They don't mention the Sako, but I guess it's because the Vanguard compares to the Tikka price.

http://weatherby.com/vanguard/advantage.shtml

Big Tom · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2004, 07:06:38 PM »

GB you are one lucky fella if you've bought Remingtons in the past few years that shot MOA or better out of the box.

I've been stung by a Mountain Rifle LSS and THREE different Model Sevens in the past five years that wouldn't. I am not alone....I know at least two dealers that have had a major swing in sales from Rem and Win to Ruger, Savage and Tikka.

I shot and loved 700s since the 1960s and really would like to see the quality back. I feel the CDL may be a sign that this is happening. Reports so far have been good! [url] http://webpages.charter.net/bchannell

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2004, 07:12:56 PM »

Well Tom I recently picked up my third LSS this one in .260 Rem. which I should be on the range with this week. If I'm gonna have a problem it likely will be with this one. Someone bought it and returned it a few days later and traded for another rifle. We'll see. What I did note was the Leupold windage adjustable base was quite loose on it. I trashed that piece of junk and put on a Weaver clone set of bases and Burris Zee rings.

Should be at my range with it one day this week. I have no factory ammo tho only some reloads I've tossed together from a manual.

tripod · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2004, 10:24:36 PM »

Hi, New Here. Last year bought Weatherby Mark V Deluxe Lite .22-250. Shoots good with an occasional feeding problem. No written guarantee in box. Last month bought Tikka hunter .22-250 and Tikka T3 Lite Stainless .22-250 for wife. No written guarantee in either box. Both perform flawlessly. Even though I've dumped Rem 700 and Win 70 as poor performers, we still compared side by side Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Browning, Kimber, CZ. The Tikka seemed uncomparable with Smooth operating stainless bolt, Removable clip feed, Better than decent adjustable trigger, Convenient quiet safety, Good weight and workmanship. Second time out grouped very close to 1" at measured 100 yds. Expect to tighten up group with added Harris bipod. These are certainly not in the same class as our Sauer 90 Supreme's but fit the bill very nicely. No wonder the gun store owner said even some die hards are switching.

Lawdog · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2004, 09:02:45 AM »

tripod,

First let me Welcome you to Graybeard Outdoors. The very best forum on the net for hunters/shooters/outdoorsmen going today. Now to Weatherby. Weatherby quit putting a written guarantee in with each firearm's box about four or five years ago(I guess to cut back on paper costs???). The guarantee is still in force. Also Weatherby includes a test fired target with each rifle. If its not in the box someone has removed it. Again Welcome to Graybeard Outdoors. Small groups and tight lines to you. Lawdog

longwinters · « **Reply #24 on:** September 01, 2004, 11:56:09 AM »

Tripod, \

Here is another "WELCOME". As LD says, this is (in my opinion) the best hunting/shooting site on the net. Say, I see you like the Sauer rifles. My buddy just bought one in 270. He has only shot it once, but the accuracy was not moa. Do you reload? What cartridges or loads are you using (if you do shoot one in 270 that is)?

Long

tripod · « **Reply #25 on:** September 01, 2004, 08:29:19 PM »

Hi Thanks Guys. Great site. Long- Yes we love our beautiful Sauer rifles. Got my wife 30-06 Supreme 90. For myself a 300 Win Mag Supreme 90. Have not owned any other sauer rifles but probably will. These two are keepers. The 30-06 is at the upper end of acceptable recoil for my wife. Although we have both noticed the design reduces felt recoil better than comparable guns. It replaces a .280. The 06 is much easier to get ammo for with a selection of heavier bullets. It shoots 1-1.5" with 150, 165, 180gr premium factory ammo. The 300 Win Mag shoots consistently under 1" with 150, 165, 180gr premium factory ammo. IMO this due to quality, 2" longer barrel, inherent character of the 300. Do not reload yet. I wouldn't pin accuracy on one time shooting, for any gun. We like many calibers and try to obtain best one for application. Never been the one gun for all type. But am very happy with one wife who hunts successfully year after year with me. We have Harvested 5 elk in the last five seasons with these Sauers. 3 one shot kills. Harvested 10 deer last five deer seasons, six one shot kills. Hope to claim this kind of success with our Tikka's on cougars and bobcats. Busted 4 blue and 1 ruffed grouse and 1 snowshoe rabbit this morning opening day. Used our Browning gold hunters 12 ga Mod choke 6 shot. A real fun season kickoff.

TC Shooter · « **Reply #26 on:** September 24, 2004, 06:26:10 AM »

The Model 40-XB series of high performance Custom Shop rifles sets the standard for accuracy and like all 40-XB rifles, the new Model 40-XB Tactical is no exception. Chambered in .308 Win, Remington guarantees the Model 40-XB Tactical will deliver 0.75 inch maximum 5-shot groups at 100 yards.

The above from Remington's law enforcement product website. True , this is not a mainstream run of the mill 700 - but it is still a stated guarantee of accuracy.

GB you are one lucky fella if you've bought Remingtons in the past few years that shot MOA or better out of the box.

I have owned 3 heavy barrel 700s that all easily delivered sub MOA accuracy. My newest 700 - the 700P is an exceptional shooter.

Graybeard · « **Reply #27 on:** September 24, 2004, 11:41:39 AM »

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GB you are one lucky fella if you've bought Remingtons in the past few years that shot MOA or better out of the box.

So you guys keep telling me. Sorry but I think it is the NORM. When you have owned as many of them as I have and they all perform as mine have you find it a tad hard to accept that as anything but the norm. Don't care what the rumors say I buy a LOT of Remington guns (brought a new one home yesterday along with my Whby. .257 Mag) and I say there is no quality problem with Remington guns. Either that or they just ship all the good ones to Bama.

tripod · « **Reply #28 on:** September 24, 2004, 03:45:38 PM »

Hi, Just picked up my new Tikka. Third one in a month. This T3 Hunter came with a barrel tag listing the features. One line says ( Every rifle factory tested to shoot 1 MOA out-of-the-box). First time I've seen this.