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Offline Spot Shooter

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« on: August 01, 2004, 04:41:33 PM »
I checked the seating depth on my T3's with some bullets today and found that they needed to be just about out of the brass before they engaged the rifling.

  I found the same thing on a Sako a few years back, do they cut the throats all this way?

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2004, 04:05:07 AM »
I know that isn't the case for my two Sake 75 Finnlights.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2004, 11:32:50 AM »
I have a Tikka and 3 Sako rifles in the house.  No extensive long throats that I can see . . . unless I go to 55 gn bullets in my Tikka 243.  Then I cannot touch the lands  but I think it would be that way in any rifle of this caliber.  Probably the same for a 110 in a 30 cal etc...

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2004, 12:47:02 PM »
Tikka's and Sako's will outshoot pretty much EVERYTHING else out there-------and the problem is?????

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2004, 12:58:34 PM »
Hmm....
 
   It was with a 65 grain hornady that this problem came up, the longer bullets work just fine.  Just wondering why.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2004, 03:25:29 PM »
If the bullets are lighter in weight then they are shorter in length.  And from what I have seen with their published twist rate, the Finnish rifles are set up more for the medium to heavy weight bullets not the light ones. So I would suppose that if they are going to lean towards a longer vs. shorter chamber length, with this in mind, they go with a little longer one.

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2004, 02:21:34 PM »
Ah my favorite subject...Yes they do have longer throats. I've beaten this dead horse a few times. Do they shoot...yes they do.. Can you maximize peformance out of them similar to a Savage that shoots as well or better..No you can't. Long throats reduce velocity. Shooting Times in recent article notated that the Savage was consistently 150-200 fps faster than the Tikka counterpart in same caliber (270 WSM and 300 WSM). I recorded same difference in my T-3 300 WSM.  If you are a finicky reloader that wants to maximize performance then it will gnaw at you..if not who cares. My only gripe is they should publish that fact so buyers can make decision on whether to buy their product with a longer throat. If you only shoot factory then all this is irrelevant.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2004, 03:00:18 PM »
Muddyboots,

    The long throat thing is the only factor that's bugg'n me about investing in a Sako.

     I know they can run, but I like custom loading....

     Just weird....  That and I don't know what Caliber I'd pick.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 06:49:42 PM »
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I have the 300 WSM in the T-3 and it is OK. I still prefer my 300 WM in my Sendero any day of week. I just find the 300 WM more versatile for the things I do. Plus in a heavy rifle, you don't take the punishment the 300 WSM smacks you with in a light weight rifle. The trendy rifle writers would have you believe the 300 WSM recoil is nothing in comparison to the 300 WM but reality is in a light rifle it is like rattle snake strike coming off the bags. I have been looking at the Finn Light in an 06 but just can't seem to do it unless I measure the chamber beforehand. I am partial to 7RM because the recoil is similar to 06 and is better suited for the longer range stuff I do. Decisions, decisions, decisions.... shopping is 99% of the fun.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2004, 08:22:00 AM »
Muddyboots,

  I've got a 300WSM in a abolt with a Mc stock on it.... shoots wonderful.

I don't like the clip set up with the floor plate though, and it is my "reach out and touch somethin' " gun.
 
I use a 358 BLR for my close woods work, but I keep thinking about getting a Sako just for the experience of it.  

I got the T3 in 243 for yotes... I like the bolt throw...

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2004, 04:31:05 PM »
I had to post this disclaimer.


The 243 T3 lite I bought turns out to be a one hole gun...

I shot two single hole groups in two seperate test strings.

Not bad for a long throat HUH!

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2004, 07:56:59 AM »
I'm not sure by your title if you're infering that Savages have long throats too.  The two that I've owned (one 243 now sold, and current 30-06) both will not take much past factory COAL spec.  Very easy to seat near the lands on them.
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2004, 08:09:19 AM »
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Totally agree thay can shoot but it still comes down to how you personally reload. I want to get certain performance out of my rifles including accuracy. The Tikka shoots well but if I can same accuracy and more performance out of another rifle then I feel I would select the other rifle. The Tikka's are a fine rifle, never said they weren't. The Savage is a fine rifle as well and gives me more performance. I will say that I have started using some Winchester powders in the 300 WSM and the velocities are starting to get where I think they should be for that caliber. The accuracy is holding so maybe after trying umteen different powders etc. I may finally get the Tikka where it belongs (from my perspective anyway). If you reload for too many years to count, you develop certain technical requirements for firearms. I just don't like long throats since they tend to reduce the maximum performance you can achieve out of a rifle. Again, accuracy is only part of it for me. If you shoot factory then all of this meaningless. Mine shot factory well enough but at the price of that stuff I wouldn't shoot too often that is for sure.  Interesting enough, my new CDL in 7RM will shoot circles around the Tikka. Big Green seems to be trying pretty hard to get these rifles out there with best foot forward with them. Am I finicky, yes. But that is the trademark of 35+ years for most reloaders and bench guys. I would never tell anyone not to buy a Tikka but I would tell them of the long throats and let them make their own decision. That is what makes all of this so much fun.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2004, 04:50:11 PM »
Well I'd tell them to buy one in a heart beat!

  Remember group number one... Here's the 100 yd versions...

Now these are 4 shot groups, and like a bone head I ripped off 4 shots and pulled the last one (at least I'm consistant).

Please note that the groups open up to a clover leaf!!!  

That's 3 bullets in the top right single hole!  (We have a winner)

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2004, 01:10:10 PM »
Spot,
Nice! What bullet were you using? I have a Remington 243 in VLS that shoots Nosler 55 Bts basically one hole which lays the smack on chucks. Like I said the Tikkas can shoot but they still leave me aggravated not being able to load the way I want to. Interesting the 243 will always have the problem with throats no matter what manufacturer since the 243 is both a varmit and deer rifle so the throat has to accommodate an extreme spread of bullet lengths. Its when you get up into heavier calibers is when the throat issue begins more problematic (for me anyway). I'd keep the Tikka in 243 since all 243's will have a throat problem.
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2004, 05:41:10 PM »
Mboots,

   That group was with Hornady 65 gr Vmax.   Short little buggers, but I can't argue with the groups.

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