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Offline ins.man

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« on: August 11, 2004, 05:44:54 PM »
I can not find any information on the recoil energy given from a 44 mags, .408, etc.. (hot pistol rounds) which I hear can be  good deer rounds in a lever rifle. I have the fever with lever action rifles and I only have a .30-30 as of now. winchester 28" octagon barrel & Loving it!  Also, how do people handle the great recoils given by some of the larger calibers? I'm just new at this for I only shot .223 and .308's bolt actions while growing up. All suggestions on calibers are welcome and appreciated. I don't want to buy something I can't handle, but " let'er rip while I'm still young enough"! Asking from people with experience is what I am trying to do. Are there any other better manufacturers than winchester, marlin, or Henry. Salesmen in stores will tell you anything to make the sale and move merchandise that won't sell to the expienced marksman. I am looking for a 40th b-day present for myself. Some info- I am able to shoot out approx. 150+ without a scope with good accuracy. Thanks to uncle sam. Thanks & God Bless!

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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2004, 07:23:42 PM »
The recoil can be calculated for any load, if you know the weight of the gun, bullet, and powder charge, along with the velocity of the round.  The formula is in the back of my Lyman reloading manual, which is currently boxed up, so someone else will have to help out with the details here.  Bottom line, if you want to hurt yourself, shoot a heavy, fast bullet from a light weight, poorly stocked rifle with no recoil pad.  If you want shooting to be a pleasant experience, shoot full size rifles that have enough weight to soak up some recoil, and get a comfortable recoil pad.  I like firm rubber pads up until I pass the 444/30-06 level of recoil, then I like the soft, mushy recoil pads.  These don't mount to my shoulder as fast, because they tend to be a little too "sticky", but there are products on the market that make them a little slicker.

I would recommend a 444 Marlin, if you want big performance with manageable recoil.  Get the rifle length, with a 22" barrel(24" if you can find an old one), and put a comfortable recoil pad on the back.  Shooting the short, ported carbines just robs velocity and deafens the countryside.  Shoot 240 grain bullets until you're used to it, then move up to the heavies (300 grains and beyond).  Put a receiver peep sight onto it, and you're ready to shoot out to 200 yards and farther, if you do your part.  Animals will have a hard time telling they were shot with a 444, rather than the harder kicking hot-rodded 45-70 (not that I don't like those, too).

If you're not into traditional, tube magazine lever guns, check out Browning's BLR, or try to find an old Winchester 88.  Both are available in cartridges that will shoot further than any responsible hunter tends to shoot.  Their strong lock up and box magazines allow everything from .243 on up to some of the magnums in the BLR.  The 88 can be found in chamberings like .243 Winchester, .284 Winchester, .308 Winchester, and .358 Winchester.  The .308 and .358 are my favorites from that line up, and the BLR can be had in those flavors, too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2004, 07:49:21 AM »
Stock fit is a big factor in perceived recoil.  (as opposed to actual measured recoil)  The Model 1894 Winchester always seems to whack me as hard or harder than my 400-360 Nitro which produces considerably more actual measured recoil.

Cartridge impulse: Mass of bullet in grains X muzzle velocity plus mass of powder in grains times average muzzle velocity of the powder, all divided by 225218.  This is the figure of merit for how much recoil a cartridge will produce indepently of gun used.  The rub is average powder velocity.  No easy way to measure the average muzzle velocity.  A rule of thumb for smokeless powder handguns is 1.5 times the bullet velocity, for smokeless powder rifles, twice the bullet velocity.  For a 170 grain load in a 30-30 this will be about 2.247 lbf*s.

Rifle impulse: equals the cartridge impulse.

Recoil velocity:  equals impulse times 32.174 divided the mass of the rifle in pounds.

Recoil energy: equals 1/2 the mass of the rifle in pounds times the recoil velocity squared, all divided by 32.174.

BTW: Cartridge impulse is the figure of merit for the cartridge's ability to operate a recoil operated handgun action.  Cartridge pressure has no bearing.  On the other hand, cartridge pressure operates a blow back action.

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2004, 08:10:18 PM »
I always felt a lever action give surprisingly hard recoil in any given caliber.  I thought a 44 Magnum Marlin kicks worse than the revolver....

It may be the stock angle, or the drop distance off the boreline, but a lever gun seems to hurt more than a bolt action would with the same cartridge.   A 44 Magnum does kick harder than a 30-30, in any gun.  It has a 240 grain bullet in the bore longer than a 30-30's 160 or so gr at a higher velocity.  

When I shot Handgun Silhouette some years ago I had a TC Contender with both 44 Mag and 30-30 barrels, and the 44 was decidedly heavier in recoil.
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