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There IS a name for it ! It is called the "Purity spiral"
« on: June 26, 2025, 02:38:58 AM »
  The madness which has gripped for a couple generations now, a sizeable portion of our population, that is....

    We try to understand through critical thinking, logic, and deductive reasoning, what has  happened to so many formerly rational people.  Perhaps just a simple look at certain periods of madness recorded in history, may give us a clue .

    George Santayana did say..   : "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

   What has apparently afflicted many people, and seems to have claimed possession of a major American political party, has happened many times in history, and it has a title, namely, "THE PURITY SPIRAL", which seems to afflict those who long to be superior persons, by becoming a small, gullible pebble on a boringly mundane beach !

   Do you see a pattern? For once, AI seems to have it right. Please read the article before contributing...

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A "purity spiral" refers to a dynamic where individuals within a group increasingly adopt more extreme positions to appear more committed to the group's ideals, often at the expense of nuanced or moderate views. This phenomenon, also described as "moral outbidding," can lead to a breakdown in productive dialogue and critical thinking. Examples of purity spirals include historical events like the French Revolution and the Cultural Revolution in China.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Reward for Extremity:
In a purity spiral, individuals feel compelled to express more radical views to demonstrate their loyalty and commitment to the group's ideology.
Punishment for Moderation:
Those who express doubts, nuance, or moderation are often criticized or ostracized, discouraging open discussion and critical thinking.
Groupthink:
This dynamic can create a form of groupthink where the desire for social acceptance and conformity overrides individual judgment and independent thought.
Consequences:
Purity spirals can lead to the erosion of civil liberties, the breakdown of social cohesion, and the potential for violence or oppression, according to The Conversation.
Historical Examples:
The French Revolution, with its periods of intense radicalism and violence, and the Cultural Revolution in China, with its focus on ideological purity and mass denunciations, both illustrate how purity spirals can play out in real-world historical contexts.


     

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Re: There IS a name for it !
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2025, 02:50:17 AM »
  This article, though from an initially left wing perspective, is still interesting..  I only disagree where he cites "Trumpism" as a viable example, while ignoring the much more egregious examples that have infested the left in colleges for 3-4 generations.

     https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-ideological-purity-spirals-rarely-end-well-140888

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Re: There IS a name for it !
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2025, 04:28:54 AM »
  This article, though from an initially left wing perspective, is still interesting..  I only disagree where he cites "Trumpism" as a viable example, while ignoring the much more egregious examples that have infested the left in colleges for 3-4 generations.

     https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-ideological-purity-spirals-rarely-end-well-140888
Three or four generations? A generation is “about “ thirty years. Is that what you mean?

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2025, 04:37:18 AM »
  This article, though from an initially left wing perspective, is still interesting..  I only disagree where he cites "Trumpism" as a viable example, while ignoring the much more egregious examples that have infested the left in colleges for 3-4 generations.

     https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-ideological-purity-spirals-rarely-end-well-140888
Three or four generations? A generation is “about “ thirty years. Is that what you mean? Also, legally an individual is considered by law to be a grown adult at 21.

   Basically so . I view generations as 20 years..the age at which young parents are breeding for a new generation.

   My observation, I started to see the current descent into irrationality began in the 1960s, which would now be 60+ years, or roughly 3, going into 4 generations. .

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Re: There IS a name for it !
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2025, 04:54:49 AM »
  This article, though from an initially left wing perspective, is still interesting..  I only disagree where he cites "Trumpism" as a viable example, while ignoring the much more egregious examples that have infested the left in colleges for 3-4 generations.

     https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-ideological-purity-spirals-rarely-end-well-140888
Understood. I suppose my understanding of how many years comprise a generation may be behind the times.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2025, 05:12:07 AM »
  This article, though from an initially left wing perspective, is still interesting..  I only disagree where he cites "Trumpism" as a viable example, while ignoring the much more egregious examples that have infested the left in colleges for 3-4 generations.

     https://theconversation.com/history-tells-us-that-ideological-purity-spirals-rarely-end-well-140888
Understood. I suppose my understanding of how many years comprise a generation may be behind the times.

  Not necessarily.. culture vary..looking at various cultures and times, reproduction ages seem to vary..  I just look at what seems evident here and now..

  I guess our out-of-wedlock births would average lower than 20 years..but then, many of those are aborted today..not a common thing in the past..

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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2025, 08:24:20 AM »
Here; Bill Maher of all people, takes on the "Purity Spiral" folks.  Many former democrats have taken up with the republicans because of the Purity spiral types, and it appears that sometimes Bill Maher and Sen Fetterman may be close to the same.

  Here is a long video,  but just a few minutes will have your "Uh-huh" bin and your belly laugh bag empty.. just give itr a few minutes..you will enjoy..

  Note; beware  lefty expletives;...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6TrEIn46To