Ukraine Update....

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Russia won  _ _  Ukraine-NATO lost

Judge Napalitano and Scott Ritter explain ~~>

Somebody tell Joebama and the Regime.
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[DDZ]

The joebma regime is not stupid. they know Ukraine lost, and it was absurd to even think Ukraine could or would win.  The joebama regime has to keep the fight going, with borrowed funds to keep the destruction of America moving forward with inflation and economic collapse.
Plus the war mongers that profit from war want a fight, and many of them are republicans.   
 

[ironglow]

  Whether Ukraine retains it's freedom or Russia destroys  the country in an effort to take it over.... either way,
  there will be no "winner".  Either one country saves it's devastated homeland, or their expansionist big neighbor takes over the country they destroyed, and the people they again subjugated..to Russia's everlasting shame.

  Of course, I still maintain it is first off, a European problem., but Biden is part of the problem, setting aside billions, promising much..but delivering little.

  We have seen evidence of such chicanery before   Remember whe OBiden told the Russian delegate that after the election...he could be more "flexible",... a d so far he Biden is following Obama's program to the letter

  ..But perhaps that is his plan..talk a great game..but doing very little.

 there is much evidence that there could be a clandestine Biden/Putin agreement. After all, there is good evidence that the Biden family may well be indebted to the Russian power bosses.

  https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/23/hunter-biden-took-3-5-million-from-ex-moscow-mayors-wife/

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUVGnkWtbUs

[ironglow]

IG wrote:  "Whether Ukraine retains it's freedom or Russia destroys  the country in an effort to take it over.... either way,
  there will be no "winner".  Either one country saves it's devastated homeland, or their expansionist big neighbor takes over the country they destroyed, and the people they again subjugated..to Russia's everlasting shame."

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Ooh sure!
Ukraine, Zelenskyy, needs to preserve their
'freedom' to:
...be the LGBTQ capital of Europe
...outlaw all opposition political parties
...persue nuclear weapons
...harbor bioweapons research in over 30 labs
...outlaw the Russian language
...terrorize and genocide ethnic Russians
...be the corruption capital of the world for Joe
...re-sell weapons gifted to them by Americans
...foster the revival of world Nazism idealoques

Yep, we sure need Ukraine 'freedom' preserved.
This guy knows the story, in a moment of clarity:

  Those terms could be as easily applied to Russia and the old boys there who long for the old "glory days" of the USSR.
  So far as  Castro and any other Commie is concerned, the fight between Communism and Nazism is as old as both philosophies.
   Like two ugly sisters, they hate each other since they are so very much alike !  Surely any traces of Nazism in the Ukraine, could be more than matched by latent Communists in Russia.

  ..Both mass murderers during the last century, neither one worth a... "bucket of warm spit".(John Nance Garner)

[DDZ]

IG wrote:  "Whether Ukraine retains it's freedom or Russia destroys  the country in an effort to take it over.... either way,
  there will be no "winner".  Either one country saves it's devastated homeland, or their expansionist big neighbor takes over the country they destroyed, and the people they again subjugated..to Russia's everlasting shame."

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Ooh sure!
Ukraine, Zelenskyy, needs to preserve their
'freedom' to:
...be the LGBTQ capital of Europe
...outlaw all opposition political parties
...persue nuclear weapons
...harbor bioweapons research in over 30 labs
...outlaw the Russian language
...terrorize and genocide ethnic Russians
...be the corruption capital of the world for Joe
...re-sell weapons gifted to them by Americans
...foster the revival of world Nazism idealoques

Yep, we sure need Ukraine 'freedom' preserved.
This guy knows the story, in a moment of clarity:

Yeah, the perception the media sells to the public is that Zelinsky is some kind of upright and righteous man, when in reality he is as corrupt as they come.  I guess they can more easily sell the idea of Russia bad, Zelinsky good, by making Zelinsky out to be a good guy. And of course get support for an endless stream of weapons and goods going from us to them. No matter how many billions.  Oh and with the ongoing fighting the Marxist Biden regime can continue to blame our inflation on Russia. There are enough ignorant people walking around in a daze in this country to believe what ever CNN tells them.   

[ironglow]

The Christian view..others can ignore;

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cADgJ-gB4Fw

[ironglow]

 It takes "two to tango"  Biden and Putin..and they enjoy being dance partners.  Either one can take a break at any time.
  Yes, sometimes a couple Commies will compete with each other, but they will "hug and make up" at the end.

[DDZ]

So seems like the consensuses is to save Ukraine at all costs.  Costs in dollars, and possibly millions of lives.  Seems there has been very little effort to end this through diplomatic avenues.  It clearly looks like there is an attempt to escalate the war instead of ending it.

[DDZ]

Have to wonder how we would react if a number of countries called NATO had all kinds of weapons on the Canadian border, and one of those countries had weapons like we do?  There hasn't been one thing I have agreed with that the Biden regime is and has done. So if a conservative agrees with the Biden regime that Russia must be destroyed. I think they should look into it a little deeper.

[ironglow]

Have to wonder how we would react if a number of countries called NATO had all kinds of weapons on the Canadian border, and one of those countries had weapons like we do?  There hasn't been one thing I have agreed with that the Biden regime is and has done. So if a conservative agrees with the Biden regime that Russia must be destroyed. I think they should look into it a little deeper.

   Faulty analogy...

   So who has Canada invaded?  Who have they attacked, that NATO should restrict their military activities?

  Now, if Canada had decided to muster all their forces in the Yukon, and when ready...run up the Tanana River valley..trying to take over Fairbanks, while sending guided missile ships to attack Anchorage... erhaps then we would get excited..and with good reason.

  I can't find anything Biden has done that I agree with, but that is another, unrelated discussion.

  What conservative has said Russia should be destroyed?  I haven't heard even one person here suggest that Russia should be destroyed!
In fact, as much as I can recall.. nobody here has suggested that Russia be attacked...as they did with the Ukraine. 
  Myself and some others here have lamented the loss of lives on both sides, which Putin could stop tomorrow morning, was he concerned..

  So, here is the challenge.. how about you link to somebody here who suggested an attack upon Russia..or better yet, link to somebody who suggested that Russia be destroyed..

  So far, mother Russia has not felt the sting of having it's cities and infrastructure obliterated..  The only sting that has hit home there, are the loved ones who have fallen in this latest of Putin's adventures...but that doesn't seem to bother Vlad very much !
   

[DDZ]

Have to wonder how we would react if a number of countries called NATO had all kinds of weapons on the Canadian border, and one of those countries had weapons like we do?  There hasn't been one thing I have agreed with that the Biden regime is and has done. So if a conservative agrees with the Biden regime that Russia must be destroyed. I think they should look into it a little deeper.

   Faulty analogy...

   So who has Canada invaded?  Who have they attacked, that NATO should restrict their military activities?

  Now, if Canada had decided to muster all their forces in the Yukon, and when ready...run up the Tanana River valley..trying to take over Fairbanks, while sending guided missile ships to attack Anchorage... erhaps then we would get excited..and with good reason.

  I can't find anything Biden has done that I agree with, but that is another, unrelated discussion.

  What conservative has said Russia should be destroyed?  I haven't heard even one person here suggest that Russia should be destroyed!
In fact, as much as I can recall.. nobody here has suggested that Russia be attacked...as they did with the Ukraine. 
  Myself and some others here have lamented the loss of lives on both sides, which Putin could stop tomorrow morning, was he concerned..

  So, here is the challenge.. how about you link to somebody here who suggested an attack upon Russia..or better yet, link to somebody who suggested that Russia be destroyed..

  So far, mother Russia has not felt the sting of having it's cities and infrastructure obliterated..  The only sting that has hit home there, are the loved ones who have fallen in this latest of Putin's adventures...but that doesn't seem to bother Vlad very much !
 

Well IG I didn't implicate anyone here saying Russia should be destroyed, but there are conservatives that seem to want war with Russia.  So if there is war wanted with Russia, is the intent not to destroy Russia?   I will say there are those here that have supported us sending weapons to Ukraine. Is that not an act of war against Russia?   You seem to have taken offense to my comment about some conservatives wanting Russia destroyed.   

[ironglow]

From DDZ;
   "Well IG I didn't implicate anyone here saying Russia should be destroyed, but there are conservatives that seem to want war with Russia.  So if there is war wanted with Russia, is the intent not to destroy Russia?   I will say there are those here that have supported us sending weapons to Ukraine. Is that not an act of war against Russia?   You seem to have taken offense to my comment about some conservatives wanting Russia destroyed."

      So I guess you can link to somebody here who has demanded war with Russia, correct?  Perhaps somebody else had suggested that Russia be destroyed if that is an easier link..bring it on!

  Of course, your term "destroyed" is an extrapolation.  Using that criteria..there are several here who want to see Ukraine destroyed.

  Why do you suppose they want to see Ukraine destroyed !  After all, that is exactly what is
    going on at this very moment !

  Interesting...how some enthusiastically cheer Russia (actually Putin) on in his devastation of the Ukraine, but
  are completely flabbergasted at the of Russia even being hurt in any way...

   No sign of bias there..

[ironglow]

  The "cold war" was a feature pushed by the old, communist Russia..

  Now Putin wants to aggressively reclaim the old satellite states that found their freedom after the breakup of the old communist USSR.
     
   This past week a Russian "diplomat", calls for a restart of the old cold war !

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5pmA_Iv88Y  (2 min video)

   What does that tell any astute man about the state of Russian politics today?

[ironglow]

IG... well the Ruskies are not doing too well since the end of the first cold war.
Since that ended NATO has expanded from 9 countries to 30 countries and moved 800 miles eastward until only 200 miles from St. Petersburg. And disregarding agreements have made  Ukraine a defacto NATO state with the largest military in Europe, with the hubris to terrorize ethnic Russians, build offensive bioweapons labs, pursue nukes, and revive Nazi hate brigades.
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Who has  called for destruction of Russia?

Senator Wicker, R  Mississippi,  has recommended first strike nuke attack on Russia.
John McCain had said  same.

Lindsey Graham has called for the assassination of Putin and undoing of Russia.

Biden the Blowhard has called for the defeat of Russia.

And most recently Pompeo, allegedly a Trump guy, has called for the defeat and breakup of Russia in preparation for the coming war with China.

Just a few, add your name to the list.

Unfortunately,  Russia doesn't see things that way, and now realizes diplomacy does not work with the hegemonic West.
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  Well, Belarus, Syria, Eritrea and North Korea are Putin's only backers at the moment.

  If you hurry, perhaps you can get your name in before Cuba, Venezuela, the Taliban and the warlords of the Sudan...   ,

[DDZ]

As Clayton says. You can see whats going on if you look for the truth.   Surprise, surprise. It has all been planned. So there is a bit more to it than the narrative of Ukraine good, Russia bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsQSeOpE8qQ

[ironglow]

As Clayton says. You can see whats going on if you look for the truth.   Surprise, surprise. It has all been planned. So there is a bit more to it than the narrative of Ukraine good, Russia bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsQSeOpE8qQ

  I watched your video above...  Yes, one can weave all types of scenarios concerning current events, and they can be manipulated to seem very  plausible
    Keep in mind though..our world is of the 21st century and we do not have a month's warning as armies cross the Atlantic or Pacific..as it took back in the 19th century.  The oceans can be crossed in minutes with missiles and the coming armaments posted in space.
  Therefore any cross border conflict becones the business of the whole world of nations..all the more so, if one of those nations is a super power.

   The fellow featured, seems to condemn NATO for becoming alert after the Russian invasion.  Wouldn't that be the natural reaction to a Russian invasion, especially since Russia has done as much in Belarus, Crimea, Khazakstan and now Ukraine.

  He seems to fault NATO for placing troops in neighboring, threatened countries.  What was NATO to do..allow Russia to finish off Ukraine..then go into Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland?  ...Then while they are at it, gather up Romania, Bulgaria and perhaps then threaten Poland?

  Forget ineffective Dummkopf, he's doing no more than what is expected...and dragging his feet at that!

  The only thing he has to offer is weakness, and he is doing that in spades..which mayhave provoked Putin into boldness.
  There are some indications that the CCP and the Russian Oligharchs share ownership of the Biden bunch.

  No..things were going along as usual, when Putin started his grab of the Ukraine.  ..But he seemed surprised to discover that Ukraine was not so easy as his waltz into Khazakstan & Georgia  or the Crimea.

  IMO... It is foolish to paint Biden as some kind of international "super manipuator"...when we are not assured that he can even tie his shoes in the morning !

[billy_56081]

Biden is not the super manipulator,  he is just a puppet.  It is the people pulling his strings that are.

Surely no one thinks he is in control.