60 minutes the guy who killed bin laden

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Is on right now
blessings

[dstegjas]

I didn't see the whole thing but I didn't hear him say that he killed Bin Laden. He did say that Obumer asked which one of them killed him. They would not tell him saying that it wasn't important who pulled the trigger. They also said that the government was considering freezing all the earnings from the book because of a contractual agreement. Now the author said that the bulk of the earning are going to the charities that support the wounded soldiers. If that is the case, the president is short changing the soldiers once again.
 
Jim

[magooch]

I read the book and watched the 60 minutes show.  Under the circumstances, I don't think the Seals' main concern was taking bin Laden alive. 


I was struck by something else about the show.  When they showed a picture of Osama before he was wasted, I couldn't help noting that if you glued a beard to our Osama and put him in a bed sheet, you'd have the same guy.

[magooch]

 What happened to delete post?

[Conan The Librarian]

Don't they have some kind of "you can't talk about this" clause in their contract?

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 First when someone is wearing a bomb vest they don't offer resistance they want people to get close. In this case that was a real concern. Same for the women who were pushed down and covered by one of the Seals to protect the others.
 Anyone who would second guess the guys who went in and did the deed from the comfort of their little world should really rethink what they are saying. I agree the plan and results should be questioned but not the guys who went in they deserve our support and gratitude. The same folks who cut these guys down are the first to tell us what they will do if someone crosses them. Well the Seals dropped into a different  country were surrounded , survived a chopper crash and still got the job done. They had practiced for years , they had survived combat for years they made the grade when tested. BTW one guy didn't kill OBL many did from the lady who tracked him to the guys who build the equipment the Seals used, to the Seals who brought it all together.  We are lucky to have these men and should show them the highest respect.

[SHOOTALL]

Don't they have some kind of "you can't talk about this" clause in their contract?

YES   They swear an oath.

[SHOOTALL]

First when someone is wearing a bomb vest they don't offer resistance they want people to get close. In this case that was a real concern. Same for the women who were pushed down and covered by one of the Seals to protect the others.
 Anyone who would second guess the guys who went in and did the deed from the comfort of their little world should really rethink what they are saying. I agree the plan and results should be questioned but not the guys who went in they deserve our support and gratitude. The same folks who cut these guys down are the first to tell us what they will do if someone crosses them. Well the Seals dropped into a different  country were surrounded , survived a chopper crash and still got the job done. They had practiced for years , they had survived combat for years they made the grade when tested. BTW one guy didn't kill OBL many did from the lady who tracked him to the guys who build the equipment the Seals used, to the Seals who brought it all together.  We are lucky to have these men and should show them the highest respect.

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First, I think gubmint officials reported that they didn't know if he was wearing a suicide vest, then I think the guy on 60 minutes said they shot him b/c the suspect they shot didn't automatically submit, but they had enough time to ID him as OBL nonetheless_ _then shot him. Meanwhile, they threw down women and covered them....what if these women had suicide vests on?.  Really ? how do you know that ? every other man was shot on sight 
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Then we have the report from OBL's 12 year daughter, who witnessed the raid, reportedly told a source at Pakistan’s intelligence agency that her father was captured alive and then shot. Funny how they always produce someone isn't it ? But it should be checked out. I will hold judgment.
Al Arabiya TV said: “A security source in the Pakistani security quoted the daughter of Osama Bin Laden that the leader of Al Qaeda was not killed inside his house, but had been arrested and was killed later.” Hear say is what that is called isn't it ?
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Then we have the numerous reports , like FOXy's above that Col Bin Laden (aka Tim Osman) died years ago. Then we have the immediate disposal of OBL's body__ And so I'm still waiting on the DNA report. Then we have the mysterious deaths of numerous seal team 6 guys, real or coverups, and not just from the shot down helicopter report. A lot of mixed reports I agree they should be proven one way or the other.
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Now if you know any special ops guys, there's about 2 dozen ways to run this mission besides a ramboesque night raid with 80 guys.  You could just blow the villa up, by a drone or a car bomb, even blame it on jihadists if you like; you could snipe the guy from 600yards, you could drug, poison or gas the villa and people inside and grab ace terrorist, you could take a taxi over and with a few ninjas secure and kidnap everybody or terminate them, you could hire/bribe freebooters to go get the inhabitants...and so forth.  There's a lot of tactically knowledge people that think the Rambo raid was incredibly risky, dangerous, with high chance of really bad results; and hardly a peep from the Pakis about a mil invasion on their real estate.I agree there were options , but ID is often hard with an air strike . But maybe more important the loss of information that was gained with guys collecting it on site.
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But one thing is for sure,,,the PTB loves confusion and legends; and a gullible public. That may be true but that is not a reason to disrespect the Seals who made the raid.
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..TM7

[Conan The Librarian]

Off topic briefly, but if you like podcasts, you may like the Spycasts from the international spy museum. Look them up on iTunes. Most are really fascinating. If you want a good one to start with, look for the one on Agent Garbo. One of the most fascinating stories I've ever heard. The museum is a real place in Washington DC.

[mcwoodduck]

I watched this show.....he went thru the resistance and shootings in the raid...Then he said OBL offered no resistance......so why didn't they grab the world's number one arch terrorist for interrogation and PR value,,,set up a trail in Saudi Arabia where he was also wanted? .  Doesn't make any sense.  I'm still waiting for the DNA report.
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From reading the two books on the subject the one by the raid team (No Easy Day) and the one by Mark Bowen that is more about kissing Obamas ring, you know the one he keeps in his back pocket.  And the fear of the teams and the planners was that Osama would put on a suicide vest and attack the team, like he has told many others to do. 
It is easy to monday morning quarter back what the teams did and what could have been done.  Especially when the two brothers living in the guest house and the bottom floor of the house as well as Osama's son all were tryingto fight the team sent in to get him.  Had all of the men simply tossed up their hands and the helecopter not crashed who knows what would have been done.  Had the team had permission from Pakastan to be there, things could have been different. 
But the primary goal of the mission was to secure the target and get home alive.  I am sure if you were on the mission you could have tackeld OBL and brought him home especally after they had been shooting at you on your way up the stairs to his room but my guess is as soon as he stuck his head out to see what you were doing and where you were, you too would have shot to put him down and then maybe put a game ender in his head so that he could not set off a vest bomb.
The nly thing I am mad about is that they treated is body with respect and burried him according to his twisted version of Islam.  In stead they should have made an example of him and using Islam burry him in a way that will nto allow him to go to Paradise as a warning to the others. 

[Savage .250]

The Seals did their job as directed...............

[Brett]

The Seals did their job as directed...............

BINGO! I believe we have a winner. 

[SHOOTALL]

First when someone is wearing a bomb vest they don't offer resistance they want people to get close. In this case that was a real concern. Same for the women who were pushed down and covered by one of the Seals to protect the others.
 Anyone who would second guess the guys who went in and did the deed from the comfort of their little world should really rethink what they are saying. I agree the plan and results should be questioned but not the guys who went in they deserve our support and gratitude. The same folks who cut these guys down are the first to tell us what they will do if someone crosses them. Well the Seals dropped into a different  country were surrounded , survived a chopper crash and still got the job done. They had practiced for years , they had survived combat for years they made the grade when tested. BTW one guy didn't kill OBL many did from the lady who tracked him to the guys who build the equipment the Seals used, to the Seals who brought it all together.  We are lucky to have these men and should show them the highest respect.

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First, I think gubmint officials reported that they didn't know if he was wearing a suicide vest, then I think the guy on 60 minutes said they shot him b/c the suspect they shot didn't automatically submit, but they had enough time to ID him as OBL nonetheless_ _then shot him. Meanwhile, they threw down women and covered them....what if these women had suicide vests on?.  Really ? how do you know that ? every other man was shot on sight 
I believe that what the guy said on 60 minutes, IIRC.
Then we have the report from OBL's 12 year daughter, who witnessed the raid, reportedly told a source at Pakistan’s intelligence agency that her father was captured alive and then shot. Funny how they always produce someone isn't it ? But it should be checked out. I will hold judgment.Yeah, you mean our 'they', or their 'they?Both
Al Arabiya TV said: “A security source in the Pakistani security quoted the daughter of Osama Bin Laden that the leader of Al Qaeda was not killed inside his house, but had been arrested and was killed later.” Hear say is what that is called isn't it ?
Well the whole deal is hearsay, isn't it?  We weren't there. Then life is     we see very little really.
Then we have the numerous reports , like FOXy's above that Col Bin Laden (aka Tim Osman) died years ago. Then we have the immediate disposal of OBL's body__ And so I'm still waiting on the DNA report. Then we have the mysterious deaths of numerous seal team 6 guys, real or coverups, and not just from the shot down helicopter report. A lot of mixed reports I agree they should be proven one way or the other.
The PTB thrives on confusion and dividing people, and disunity_ _its their stock and trade..
Now if you know any special ops guys, there's about 2 dozen ways to run this mission besides a ramboesque night raid with 80 guys.  You could just blow the villa up, by a drone or a car bomb, even blame it on jihadists if you like; you could snipe the guy from 600yards, you could drug, poison or gas the villa and people inside and grab ace terrorist, you could take a taxi over and with a few ninjas secure and kidnap everybody or terminate them, you could hire/bribe freebooters to go get the inhabitants...and so forth.  There's a lot of tactically knowledge people that think the Rambo raid was incredibly risky, dangerous, with high chance of really bad results; and hardly a peep from the Pakis about a mil invasion on their real estate.I agree there were options , but ID is often hard with an air strike . But maybe more important the loss of information that was gained with guys collecting it on site.
Apparently they had enough ID, to risk 79 guys, 2 stealth helicopters, surprise raid a sovereign country, risk failure and embarrassment, etc..
But one thing is for sure,,,the PTB loves confusion and legends; and a gullible public. That may be true but that is not a reason to disrespect the Seals who made the raid.
Who's disrespecting seals? They're paid by the gubmint so we that pay get to say!!_ _I'm sure you agree with that!  But if they're engaged in gubmint story telling, show ramboism, or diversions then we all have a problem. Keep in mind this one 60 min guy got out with the story (how come?)---the others were allegedly killed all at once in Afghanistan, and elsewhere actually.  I've seen other patriot spec ops say the whole story is the biggest crock of sheit ever, but won't post that here. Problem with the gubmint's story is the result didn't match the risky plan_ _we the public didn't get a live ace terrorist, a positive DNA or ID, or anything of the sort. Maybe they should have consulted with CSI producers first...   This coupled with all the other stories about Col Bin Laden's death just adds to the Theater of Confusion.  Sit back and enjoy the show_ _its bound to get worse!.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...TM7....
..TM7