New rimfire cartage from winchester

[JimF1969]

http://www.huntingclub.com/blogs/articletype/articleview/articleid/14630/winchester-will-unveil-game-changing-rimfire-cartridge#.UMjk7RpZ5s5

[SHOOTALL]

Is that the M22 for MSR ?

[BUGEYE]

Phooey, I thought it was gonna be 22lr.  it's another .17hmr

[SHOOTALL]

someone is supposed to come out with a new 20 cal. soon

[BUGEYE]

someone is supposed to come out with a new 20 cal. soon

IMO that could be more versatile than a 17, and would sell a bunch of rifles.

[SHOOTALL]

Remington had a 5mm that was good but the 22 mag out sold it  .For me the 22 mag is better in use over the 17 HMR. I do wish I had picked up a 5mm remington back in the 80's when there was no ammo aval. and folks were unloading the guns for almost nothing.

[Mike in Virginia]

I had one of those 5mm Remingtons when they first came out.  That was the early 70's.  I remember I couldn't find the ammo, except rarely.  The box was white and green with red trim.  Boy would that rifle shoot.  I lived in a cottage on a huge farm at the time and was allowed to hunt.  Lordy the groundhogs that fell to that gun.  My hunting there got a little correction when I shot a buzzard at 150 yards.  It crawled away and got into a pipe coming out of the spring where the farm got its water.  I was 22 at the time and didn't have much sense.  Not that I do now, but I had even less then.

[crash87]

I guess I will be watching this one. I never really thought of the 17HMR as being anything. I then started doing some reading and found, I actually liked it and found an application where it would really work for me, and it does. This "flatter" shooting cartage from Winchester is interesting, but holding on and hitting within an 8" of elevation really doesn't sell it to me, as it is a varmint round where 2" way out there will mean a miss. but still, I will keep an open mind. Its always nice to see "new" cartge's from the major players that are an improvement, unlike the Winchester Short Mistakes, (WSM). Maybe Winchester will finally have a winning catage!

[ironglow]

  If the price is no ore than the .17 HMR..sounds good..beyond that I reload..

[BAGTIC]

I can reload a Hornet for less than I can feed one of those boutique rimfires.

[SHOOTALL]

You very well may reload cheaper but when one hunts where the law says RIMFIRE only a new more powerful round is welcome . Not to mention some still don't reload yet.

[jcn59]

I would like to see that larger rimfire case with a .22 bullet instead.

[mcwoodduck]

I would like to see that larger rimfire case with a .22 bullet instead.

But why would you want a rimfire of a 22 Hornet?  22 hornet is expensive to shoot, but cheap to reload.
I once had a 32Long rimfire and that round was great.  but again you can get S&W 32 Long or shorts for far less and they can be reloaded. 
Since most of the assault rifle laws exclude rimfire rounds what if they made a rimfire version of the 223 in an AR?

[SHOOTALL]

I would like to see that larger rimfire case with a .22 bullet instead.

But why would you want a rimfire of a 22 Hornet?  22 hornet is expensive to shoot, but cheap to reload.
I once had a 32Long rimfire and that round was great.  but again you can get S&W 32 Long or shorts for far less and they can be reloaded. 
Since most of the assault rifle laws exclude rimfire rounds what if they made a rimfire version of the 223 in an AR?

or one in 44 Henery RF. 

[30calflash]

 If everyone is going to make niche caliber firearms and ammo how about the 25 Stevens rimfire?

 That could be an interesting concept. Flatter than a 32, better weight than a 22. Could be  a good one again.

[BAGTIC]

You can't make a rimfire equivalent of the .223 in a rimfire cases. Rimfire cases are pressure limited to about 24,000 psi. To produce .223 ballistics at 24,000 psi the case would probably have to be about the size of a .308 and more expensive.

[mcwoodduck]

If everyone is going to make niche caliber firearms and ammo how about the 25 Stevens rimfire?

 That could be an interesting concept. Flatter than a 32, better weight than a 22. Could be  a good one again.

Hey what if we took the 32 Rimfire long case and reintorduced it.  Then necked  it down to 25, 22, 20, and 17 making a new family of cases that it will still fit in the standard 22Mag fire arms.Kind of like a WSM of the rimfire world.  Wide short case.
OOO and put it in a swap barrel rifle like the new CZ 455?

[coyotejoe]

 I see people saying they can reload a .22 Hornet for less than the cost of  .22 mags or 17HMR. Well maybe so, I think it would be pretty close, but take a look at .22 hornet factory loads, $40-$50 a box. That makes it prety clear that in factory loaded ammo the rimfire is much cheaper to build.
I think there could be a market for rimfire pistol cartridges if they could hold the price down. Most pistol cartridges operate at rimfire pressures and many people own a handgun for defense and don't really shoot a great deal and or don't have any interest in reloading or the space to do it or just don't want another hobby. For whatever reason, those people shoot factory loads, so if you sell the ammo for considerably less money that would be a great selling point for new guns. You could duplicate the .38 Special, .44 Special and .45 Colt in shorter rimfire cases so gun makers would not have to completly redesign their revolvers but just move the firing pin. It would be possible even to convert existing revolvers. Should go over big with cowboy shooters who don't like to reload, then they could shoot authentic .44 Henry rimfire from their Henry and '66 Winchester rifles.

[SHOOTALL]

just not having to bend over and pick up brass is worth something

[tobster]

"

just not having to bend over and pick up brass is worth something

"
 
             .......................especially when there is a couple of feet of snow on the ground.                           
 
 

[Dixie Dude]

coyotejoe, I have seen 30-06 Rem Corelok ammo for $19.95 right next to 8mm Mauser for $39.95.  Almost the same amount of material.  30-06 being in more demand is mass produced year round which cuts the cost/box.  8mm Mauser is probably only made about 1 month out of the year.  I can reload both for about the same price, about $10-15/box if I have the brass and depending on caliber.  So yes, if you reload, the 22 Hornet doesn't use much more powder than pistol caliber.  Small primers are the same for all small rifle calibers, and 223 bullets are not too expensive. 
 
Primers are about $0.03 each now.  A lb of powder is about $25.  500 55gr fmj bullets just cost me about $55 which is about $0.11 each.  1lb = 7,000 grains.  A 22 hornet can use between 6.3-11grains of powder depending on brand and low or high load.  Say 10 grains. That is 700 loads or about $0.04/shell.  So $0.03 + $0.11 + $0.04 = $0.18 per 22 Hornet IF you already have brass or $9/box of 50.    Brass can be reloaded about 10 times on average.  How much is 22mag running now, $10-12 a box of 50, so yes, you can reload a 22 Hornet cheaper IF you already have brass.  Add the cost of brass and divide it by 10 for an actual per shot cost.  From what I have found brass is about $40/100 right now, so that is about $0.04 per round if you reload it 10 times, or $0.22 per round or $11 per box of 50.  One can also load a 22 Hornet with pointy bullets or round nose, and load them hotter than a 22 Mag.  Interesting stuff. 
 
  I can see if you don't have to buy the brass and reload it several times, the cost of primers, powder and bullets for a certain amount of ammo could easily be less expensive than 22 magnum.  Because the 22 Hornet has a rim, I have seen a revolver chambered for it.  Sounds like a good solution for the 22 LR shortage, or buy a good 22 Mag rifle for small game.  Hopefully the stockpiling will subside soon and we can buy some 22lr. 
 
I wish Ruger would take their new takedown 10-22 to the next level.  Have interchangeable barrels for 22lr, 22mag, 17HMR.   Would allow you to keep shooting whatever is available.