Abraham Who?

[Guy Pike]

Yesterday was February 12th and I didn't hear a word about Abraham Linclon on or in any media. Guess he reallydidn't do anything significant.

[FPH]

Heck around here you have to search for a reference to Pearl Harbor day.  But we can't forget 5 of May or 16 or September.

[Casull]

 

Yesterday was February 12th and I didn't hear a word about Abraham Linclon on or in any media. Guess he reallydidn't do anything significant.

         Yes, quite odd.  He very nearly destroyed the Constitution.  Doesn't get much more significant than that.

[Ranger99]

oh. . . . .
i was going to post that his last
name was zapruder, but this isn't
what i thought it was. . . .

[Old Fart]

I think the problem might be that he was a republican....

[Dee]

The first Lincoln started the complete demise of states rights and freedom, and now the new Lincoln is finishing up. Neither are worth mentioning.

[Conan The Librarian]

I think the South should have been allowed to secede rather than having war waged against them. In the long run, the US would likely have been better off as a set of separate nations with their own priorites, as Europe is, rather than some phony conglomeration of united states. As for representation and government, I'm not represented by Washington DC, and you probably aren't either. We just keep paying and paying and paying into a system that slips farther away from our own priorities in life.
 
Yes, European countries pay higher taxes, but that's OK. The people in those countries are getting the kind of culture and life style that agrees with them. Here, we get a life style and culture of being robbed to pay for some interests that we can't even relate to.

[SHOOTALL]

The first Lincoln started the complete demise of states rights and freedom, and now the new Lincoln is finishing up. Neither are worth mentioning.

 
 

[SHOOTALL]

Alot of folks say the South should have been allowed to leave . I say the North should not have put the South in a position that they felt justifyed their leaving. The north should not have tried to tax the South in an effort to pay off the bills created during the war of 1812 , at least not woth out shouldering their share of the burden. Keep in mind that it was the north that counted the African American as only 3/5 a man only to control the Souths repsentation in congress and a vote that reflected the will of the people in a more realistic way.
 So I didn't miss his mention at all.

[Empty Quiver]

I think the South should have been allowed to secede rather than having war waged against them. In the long run, the US would likely have been better off as a set of separate nations with their own priorites, as Europe is, rather than some phony conglomeration of united states. As for representation and government, I'm not represented by Washington DC, and you probably aren't either. We just keep paying and paying and paying into a system that slips farther away from our own priorities in life.
 
Yes, European countries pay higher taxes, but that's OK. The people in those countries are getting the kind of culture and life style that agrees with them. Here, we get a life style and culture of being robbed to pay for some interests that we can't even relate to.

'Cept for the occasional world war or two. How about that Napoleon guy he played well with others didn't he. Recent memory serves I believe the '90's were full of Bosnian problems. Ireland is not to be left out of any war torn strife discussion.


Yes the European example of dividing a Continent does inspire.

[gypsyman]

I think he should have been allowed to finish the job, and move all the slaves back to Africa. gypsyman

[Mike in Virginia]

Exactly so, Gypsyman.  They want to blame whites for what our ancestors did, but they don't want to leave and go back to their own ancestors. 

[Doublebass73]

The first Lincoln started the complete demise of states rights and freedom, and now the new Lincoln is finishing up. Neither are worth mentioning.

Yep!

[Swampman]

Yesterday was February 12th and I didn't hear a word about Abraham Linclon on or in any media. Guess he reallydidn't do anything significant.

Not a hero of mine.  He trashed the Constitution big time.

[Conan The Librarian]

EQ,


Yes, it does inspire. First keep in mind that the WWI was largely inspired by the Civil War. So thank Lincoln for being the father of trench warfare, indirectly anyway. WWII at least would likely have unified all of North America against Hitler, but then, there would not likely have been a Hitler without the US Civil War. That's because only the sanctions against Germany after WWI made the popularity of someone like Hitler possible.


The Bosnian problems of the 90s are a good example of how nationhood insulates a continent. Bosnia was only a problem for the Bosnians. The Germans, French, etc were practically uneffected. Likewise with the fiscal crises in Europe today. The prudent countries are insulated from the spendthrift ways of Greece, Portugal, and Italy. Minnesota dang sure isn't insulated against the spendthrift ways of DC. And given the US debt load, more than a few economists are p,ausibly arguing that the US is innworse shape than Greece.

[Empty Quiver]

EQ,


Yes, it does inspire. First keep in mind that the WWI was largely inspired by the Civil War. So thank Lincoln for being the father of trench warfare, indirectly anyway. WWII at least would likely have unified all of North America against Hitler, but then, there would not likely have been a Hitler without the US Civil War. That's because only the sanctions against Germany after WWI made the popularity of someone like Hitler possible.


The Bosnian problems of the 90s are a good example of how nationhood insulates a continent. Bosnia was only a problem for the Bosnians. The Germans, French, etc were practically uneffected. Likewise with the fiscal crises in Europe today. The prudent countries are insulated from the spendthrift ways of Greece, Portugal, and Italy. Minnesota dang sure isn't insulated against the spendthrift ways of DC. And given the US debt load, more than a few economists are p,ausibly arguing that the US is innworse shape than Greece.

I believe we have prospered because we have not allowed ourselves to divide into a myriad of tribes like Europe. We are the melting pot are we not? The more effort that is put into becoming hyphenated America the further we drop into disrepair.


I do acknowledge there are definitely benefits to a homogeneous society, but there can be pitfalls. The very few wars I cited are nothing in the history of Europe. Every country was on some other countries agenda since the get go. Either you had ocean  access, or you wanted it. You had agricultural lands or you wanted them.


If the European model was so good how was the United States able to expand so rapidly by immigration? After a few years of living here the immigrants would have gone home in waves.


The Confederate States of America could very well have been aligned with Hitler. He was certainly one to look upon other races as inferior, that might have played well in a country where slavery was legal. There was plenty of oil in the southern states, Japan might well have been a strong trading partner with the CSA. There is no way of knowing what could have been had the CSA been a reality. Canada could have aligned with the CSA and the US broken up and distributed among the French and English as well as CSA.


This does make for interesting discussion though.

[Conan The Librarian]

EQ,


You is a smart cookie! Good posts!!!