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Marines: Spouse Clubs Must Admit Same-Sex Spouses  Posted in Top Stories | 0 comments Marines: Spouse Clubs Must Admit Same-Sex Spouses Jan 9, 2013
  By Todd Starnes & Associated Press
The Marine Corps has advised its legal staff that spouses clubs operating on its installations must admit same-sex spouses if they wish to remain on the bases – a move that has infuriated religious liberty groups.
 
The Associated Press obtained a legal advisory from the Marines which refers to an ongoing controversy at the Army’s Fort Bragg in North Carolina. In that particular incident, the officers’ spouses club has denied admission to a same-sex spouse.
 
Underscoring the challenges, the Marines’ legal advisory — obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press — refers to an ongoing controversy at the Army’s Fort Bragg in North Carolina where the officers’ spouses club has denied admission to a same-sex spouse.
The Marine Corps commandant’s Staff Judge Advocate, in an e-mail to legal offices throughout the corps, said the Fort Bragg events had “caused quite a stir” and cautioned, “We do not want a story like this developing in our backyard.”
The memo noted that spouses clubs and various other private institutions are allowed to operate on bases only if they adhere to a non-discrimination policy encompassing race, religion, gender, age, disability and national origin.
 
“We would interpret a spouses club’s decision to exclude a same-sex spouse as sexual discrimination because the exclusion was based upon the spouse’s sex,” the memo said.
A Marine Corps spokesman, Capt. Eric Flanagan, told the Associated Press the Marines cannot directly control the actions of independent organizations such as spouses’ clubs, but added, “We expect that all who are interested in supporting Marine Corps Family Readiness would be welcome to participate and will be treated with dignity and respect.”
Ret. Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, told Fox News that he’s not surprised by the Marine Corps’ decision.
 
“It should be expected,” said Boykin, an executive vice president of the Family Research Council. “When Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was repealed, it opened the door to all kinds of things that are counter to the traditions and the good order and discipline of the military.”
Boykin said the further erosion of values in the military is dangerous for the nation. He said changing those values destroys the “last vestige of traditional American values” and “robs America of its identity.”
 
“The military is the anchor of our society,” he told Fox News. “It always has been – the military has maintained traditions that go back to the founding of the nation. Those values are based on the Judeo-Christian roots of the American Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.”
“This is very disappointing news,” said Ron Crews, executive director of Chaplain Alliance. “This is very concerning that the Marine Corps is pressing forward with this agenda and ignoring federal law.”
 
Crews told Fox News most spouse groups have bylaws that require members to have a DOD military identification card.
“Right now, thanks to the Defense of Marriage Act, those so-called same-sex spouses are not recognized as spouses because of DOMA and they cannot receive a DOD identification card,” he said.
Crews said it appears that the fears of religious liberty groups have come true.
“The repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was one step in a long process to eventually work for the overthrow for the Defense of Marriage Act,” he said. “That’s what’s happening now.”
He said there have already been same-sex weddings on military installations in states where gay marriage is outlawed.
 
“This is a serious issue,” Crews said.
He wondered how the Marine Corps memorandum might jeopardize religious groups that meet on military bases.
“One wonders whether this Marine memorandum will impact ministries, too,” he said.
The Marine Corps decision was hailed by a number of gay military groups including OutServe — who is calling on the Defense Department to consider similar rules for all service branches.
“Secretary Panetta should use his authority immediately to bring consistency across the services with regard to this issue and in doing so, a greater measure of equity to gay and lesbian service members and their families,” said OutServe executive director Allyson Robinson in a statement.
With reporting from Associated Press
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 07:12:38 AM »
They need to move off base.
we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  but these gays are making it awful hard not to hate them by continually shoving their abominations on us (I started to say shoving down our throats but decided that was a bad choice of words)
their sins are abominations to God.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 07:29:53 AM »
They need to move off base.
we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  but these gays are making it awful hard not to hate them by continually shoving their abominations on us (I started to say shoving down our throats but decided that was a bad choice of words)
their sins are abominations to God.

One of the reasons our country was founded was because of religious persecution. While some religions claim homosexuality is a sin, not all do, nor do all Americans believe in God.  Banning folks from participating in activities because of religious beliefs is persecution. This includes discrimination because of sexual preferences. While I may not be a fan of Homosexuality or same sex marriages, as a American that believes in our Bill of Rights and the foundation of our Constitution, I have to abide by it and respect those that do not believe as I do.  Those that don't believe in our country, it's Constitution, it's Bill of Rights and it's social structure need to move off shore.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 10:19:49 AM »
Our great country was founded on the radical and glorious notion that all people are created equal We can't afford to forfeit the talent and abilities of any citizens willing and able to serve. Melding the nation's diversity into the world's greatest fighting force is one of the most successful social experiments in world history.

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 10:47:07 AM »
BUGEYE. All part of husseins plan to destroy us. We have become a morally bankrupt nation, even more so thanks to the obamaites who put the obamination in office, AGAIN. We were founded by Christians and have allowed satan to take control. Shame on the obamaites for contributing to our downfall. The queers should have their own club, leave decent folks alone. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 11:04:43 AM »
They need to move off base.
we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  but these gays are making it awful hard not to hate them by continually shoving their abominations on us (I started to say shoving down our throats but decided that was a bad choice of words)
their sins are abominations to God.

One of the reasons our country was founded was because of religious persecution. While some religions claim homosexuality is a sin, not all do, nor do all Americans believe in God.  Banning folks from participating in activities because of religious beliefs is persecution. This includes discrimination because of sexual preferences. While I may not be a fan of Homosexuality or same sex marriages, as a American that believes in our Bill of Rights and the foundation of our Constitution, I have to abide by it and respect those that do not believe as I do.  Those that don't believe in our country, it's Constitution, it's Bill of Rights and it's social structure need to move off shore.
what about my post brought on this rant??  I just said the spouse club needed to move off base.
nothing in my post involved the constitution.  I gave my opinion of gays which I do quite often.
again the constitution or the founding fathers were not involved.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 11:13:09 AM »
Our great country was founded on the radical and glorious notion that all people are created equal We can't afford to forfeit the talent and abilities of any citizens willing and able to serve. Melding the nation's diversity into the world's greatest fighting force is one of the most successful social experiments in world history.

Our nation also recognized some things are immoral.  Rome's downfall began just this way.
 
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 11:39:25 AM »
BUGEYE. Good posts Sir. Some folks get their panties in a wad when Christians fail to treat perverts the same as decent folks or see them the same as us, which of course, they are not. The spouse only club is for COUPLES to be able to go there without sgls hitting on them and be able to enjoy an evening with like minded folks. The perverts have no business there.
If the pervs want their own club, thats great, just stay away from decent people. Rainbow lounge, rumprangers bunkhouse, the perv pavillion, just a few names they might consider. That way the funnybunnies wouldn't have to associate with folks with morals and family values. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 11:48:05 AM »
Quote from Powderman:
"That way the funnybunnies wouldn't have to associate with folks with morals and family values. POWDERMAN.   "


There goes those humorous rabbits again.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2013, 12:11:26 PM »
There is two lesbians across the street from me who sit and chat with on my patio.
They respect my biblical stand and never mention anything off color.
As long as they act decent I will treat them okay.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 12:36:10 PM »
People are free to be gay. Straight people are just as free to associate and to NOT associate with whomever they choose. Rationalize it however you like, forcing people to associate with others against thier will is just plain WRONG, and it will only create resentment and hatred. Truth be known the gay spouses would probably rather associate with other gay spouses but it seems to be the desire of many gay people to offend, and piss off, and flaunt thier lifestyle in the faces of as many people as possible. If there was a gay spouses only club not a word would be uttered in protest about it.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 12:44:09 PM »
People are free to be gay. Straight people are just as free to associate and to NOT associate with whomever they choose. Rationalize it however you like, forcing people to associate with others against thier will is just plain WRONG, and it will only create resentment and hatred. Truth be known the gay spouses would probably rather associate with other gay spouses but it seems to be the desire of many gay people to offend, and piss off, and flaunt thier lifestyle in the faces of as many people as possible. If there was a gay spouses only club not a word would be uttered in protest about it.
That's it exactly.  If they would be more discreet, folks wouldn't even notice them.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 04:04:24 PM »
They need to move off base.
we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  but these gays are making it awful hard not to hate them by continually shoving their abominations on us (I started to say shoving down our throats but decided that was a bad choice of words)
their sins are abominations to God.


Bugeye, I don't doubt for a minute that you're quite capable of hating gays (and already inclined to hate 'em)


what's with this 'bad choice of words' that you didn't use, but wanted us to know that you didn't use? is somethin' on your mind?
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 04:17:07 PM »
There is two lesbians across the street from me who sit and chat with on my patio.
They respect my biblical stand and never mention anything off color.
As long as they act decent I will treat them okay.

 
BUGEYE. Nothing wrong with that. There were 2 lezzies accross the street when I lived in Lou. They were both really into archery. They caught a punk breaking in one night. Just as he tried to climb a fence to get away one of the girls stuck him with an arrow from the side, through both legs. He was definitely stopped and was like that when the cops got there. Yes they were friendly and we talked often. Like you, they knew my feelings and why I felt that way. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2013, 03:26:21 AM »
They need to move off base.
we are supposed to hate the sin, but love the sinner.  but these gays are making it awful hard not to hate them by continually shoving their abominations on us (I started to say shoving down our throats but decided that was a bad choice of words)
their sins are abominations to God.


Bugeye, I don't doubt for a minute that you're quite capable of hating gays (and already inclined to hate 'em)


what's with this 'bad choice of words' that you didn't use, but wanted us to know that you didn't use? is somethin' on your mind?
I would imagine that everyone here who read that post were smart enough to figure out what I meant.  and some people are not smart enough to get it even if it were explained.
I try not to hate, but there's three categories of people that constantly try to antagonize.
muslim terrorists, militant gays, and yourself.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 04:00:57 AM »
For BUGEYE and Powderman:
I am glad to hear that you two can have civil interactions with your gay neighbors and it appears that you are even getting to know them a bit as the people they are, not just the gay thing. Now I will ask you, when you interact with your gay neighbors do you call them funny bunnies, perverts, sodomites, etc. as you both have repeatably done in your posts about gays? If not, why not to their face as you do when not face to face? You do not have to agree with the gay thing but you also do not have repeatably refer to gays in general in very derogatory terms. Like it or not as I think you may be finding out they are people first.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 04:40:40 AM »
For BUGEYE and Powderman:
I am glad to hear that you two can have civil interactions with your gay neighbors and it appears that you are even getting to know them a bit as the people they are, not just the gay thing. Now I will ask you, when you interact with your gay neighbors do you call them funny bunnies, perverts, sodomites, etc. as you both have repeatably done in your posts about gays? If not, why not to their face as you do when not face to face? You do not have to agree with the gay thing but you also do not have repeatably refer to gays in general in very derogatory terms. Like it or not as I think you may be finding out they are people first.
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When something is posted here about gays, it's usually something like the OP where they are trying to force people to bow to their perverted lifestyle.
like I responded to Lakotas post, if they would be discreet, nobody would notice them.
if my neighbors were the militant type, they wouldn't be welcome on my patio.
When my daughter gets married, the girl that owns the house over there will be making her wedding cake (she does it on the side).  I'm all for tolerance when everyone is polite and keep their lifestyles out of sight.  when Atlanta has their annual gay pride week, the news shows almost naked men in their parade, kissing and rubbing their partners genitals and buttocks.  that's sick and it's AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.
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Re: Marines say, spouses only clubs must now admit queer couples.
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 05:24:03 AM »
In the eons of time, God hasn't changed. We have.While I will never do anything to harm any gay person, I will prey for them. Let God be the final judge. gypsyman
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