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Armed teachers, guards in Israeli schools.
« on: December 27, 2012, 04:31:58 PM »
Armed teachers, guards bolster school security in Israel  By Greg Tepper
Published December 27, 2012
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  •    Schoolkids in Israel - and their teachers - are prepared for terror. (AP)
  JERUSALEM –  Americans intent on ensuring a school massacre like the one in Newtown, Conn., never happens again could learn a lot from Israel, where the long menu of precautions includes armed teachers.
 
The Jewish state, which has long faced threats of terrorist strikes in crowded locations including schools, takes an all-of-the-above approach to safety in the classroom. Fences, metal detectors and armed private guards are part of a strategy overseen by the country’s national police. And the idea of armed teachers in the classroom, which stirred much controversy in the wake of the U.S. attack, has long been in practice in Israel, though a minority of them carry weapons today.
 
Oren Shemtov, CEO of Israel’s Academy of Security and Investigation, noted that attacks typically happen in a matter of minutes, and said gun-toting teachers could, at the very least, buy time for kids to escape while police race to the scene.
“Two (armed) teachers would have kept (the Newtown shooter) occupied for 45 seconds each,” said Shemtov, who is one of 16 people in Israel authorized to train those who instruct school guards.
 
Shemtov, a veteran of Israel’s security services who has been teaching security methods for 22 years, praised the Newtown teachers who gave their lives trying to protect children, but lamented the fact that they weren’t able to shoot back when gunman Adam Lanza opened fire, killing 20 children and six adults before shooting himself in the head as police converged on Sand Hook Elementary School.
“We need to give them the tools to be heroes,” Shemtov said. “No one wants to be a hero. They did what they had to do.”
Security consultant Dov Zwerling, an Israeli counter-terror police veteran, believes armed guards are crucial for school security.
 
“From what I know of almost all of the active shooter events in the U.S., almost all of them conclude with the shooter taking his own life the moment he is challenged by the first officer on the scene,” Zwerling said. “Why not challenge him earlier?”
Shemtov said the two most critical keys to protecting schools are armed guards and armed teacher response teams. But, as in the U.S., the idea of teachers carrying guns raised some objections in Israel, he said.
“At one point the Interior Ministry mandated that a certain percentage of teachers be armed but because, over time, fewer teachers carried weapons, for a number of reasons, including philosophical objections, and due to increased terror attacks, private guards were mandated at all schools," he said.
 
School security in Israel is an extension of the comprehensive approach authorities there take to protecting all public places. According to National Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld, police work with the Israeli Defense Force and the private security companies that protect such places as malls, bus stations, schools and universities. A centralized command system allows for quick dissemination of intelligence to every police officer and private guard in the field, he said.
A collective effort among police, private guards and teachers requires that the civilians involved in armed security receive rigorous training. Private guards undergo at least three weeks of advanced training with a 9mm weapon and guards employed for school protection must pass criminal, mental and physical checks.
 
“A long course, at a minimum of 40-60 hours, is needed so that the instructor can feel out the student,” said Shemtov, noting that not all teachers or guards are suited for school protection. “Course candidates should be a certain age, emotionally mature, of a certain mentality, physically healthy - and from there move to training.”
In order to station armed guards in U.S. schools, an idea advocated by the National Rifle Association, America could tap a ready pool of qualified candidates, Shemtov said. U.S. soldiers returning from overseas are well suited for school protection, he said, and “instead of returning with nothing to do there’s a sea of work” as school guards.
 
“They’re the elite of the American people,” Shemtov said. “You have people obligated, morally and ethically to the state, to the flag - this is a soldier. It’s a person who went out to do this. All you have to do is give him the appropriate training to do this in the private sector....This is the best of the American people, like they’re the best of the Israeli people. They’re people who took it upon themselves to help others.”
Greg Tepper is a freelance journalist based in Jerusalem

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Re: Armed teachers, guards in Israeli schools.
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 05:04:25 PM »
never happen that way here.
too many hand-wringing bureaucrats
here to ever take any kind of
pro-active solution to any thing
of that nature.


besides, that might make someone feel
"uncomfortable" and we damn sure
can't have that can we?

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Re: Armed teachers, guards in Israeli schools.
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 05:32:44 PM »
The  difference  in  Israel  and  U.S. is  Israel  expects  to  be  attacked  sooner   or  later.    Where as  the  U.S.  mindset   is  it  could  never  happen  to  us .   

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Re: Armed teachers, guards in Israeli schools.
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 05:38:08 PM »
I bet the Israelis are real scared about offending anybody they see as suspicious. Sure hope they don't profile and offend anybody. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 12:09:27 PM »
Doesn't everyone in Isreal have to serve in the military ? If so, those teachers will be more qualified to carry a weapon then our "  Miss Brooks."
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2012, 04:52:16 AM »
 
  The article about Orem Shemtov and the Security company is very interesting  and timely . Armed guards in schools makes perfect sense to me. I know that Americans are not used to armed security guards but times are changing. I believe that we should learn from these incidents and start learning how to protect ourselves.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2012, 05:09:10 AM »
There was an article about armed guards in our local schools . One question was - where would the money come from to pay them? Since schools are on very tight budgets- would you be willilg to have a slight tax increase to pay for them? Something to think about.
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Re: Armed teachers, guards in Israeli schools.
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 05:51:59 AM »
Teachers who already have a CCW should be allowed to carry, that would be a start. In most cases a CCW holder is familiar with guns and passed training and background checks so I'd see nothing wrong with them carrying.
Like Kimber said, our miss brooks would probably not be a good candidate for this. Not all teachers would want to carry, or be qualified to. It should be voluntary. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 06:34:00 AM »
What do you all think about training or retraining some of our active military for school security and make that a part of their active duty rotation.   There should be little if any additional cost because as active duty they are being payed anyway.   

Also allow teachers who are willing and able to carry do so.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 07:16:00 AM »
There is plenty of money for schools now, it is a matter of priority. Probably the REAL reason the libs don't want armed people in schools is because the kids might get used to seeing them and become conservative.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 07:18:21 AM »
What do you all think about training or retraining some of our active military for school security and make that a part of their active duty rotation.   There should be little if any additional cost because as active duty they are being payed anyway.   

Also allow teachers who are willing and able to carry do so.

That sounds like a good plan to me.

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 01:06:22 PM »
There is plenty of money for schools now, it is a matter of priority. Probably the REAL reason the libs don't want armed people in schools is because the kids might get used to seeing them and become conservative.
Now that is the truth.
my county could pay for a few cops by having school board retreats at their very nice facilities instead of a resort area in another state.
we already have cops in middle and high schools, but it's to keep the students from killing each other.

a couple of years ago, an Israeli security expert offered to train TSA to spot trouble without molesting old ladies and little girls, but HLS turned him down.

In 87, my wife and I flew into frankurt, and there was soldiers and cops all through the airport with sub-machine guns, and we felt perfectly safe.   people that have a problem with guards are total idiots or communist WANT-A-BEs.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 06:32:09 AM »
I do not know why I react that way, I just do not like to see armed military or similar looking/armed civilian LEOs at airports or train stations. I get the feeling they aren't there to protect the people but to make sure they are under control.
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