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U.S. MARINE in prison in mex fears for his life.
« on: December 13, 2012, 05:24:22 AM »
Extortion call, somber visit bring nightmare home for parents of Marine jailed in Mexico  By Joseph J. Kolb
Published December 13, 2012
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  •   Jon Hammar Jr. has been held in Mexico's notorious CEDES prison since August.
The father of a U.S. Marine jailed in Mexico after being caught with his grandfather's antique shotgun heard the fear in his son's voice and felt helpless.
The phone call came at midnight from Mexico's notorious CEDES prison, where Jon Hammar Jr. has been held since August. The caller demanded $1,800, then put Hammar on to drive the point home.
"They're serious, Dad," Jon Hammar Sr. heard his son say. "I'll pay you back; they are going to kill me."

 
"They're serious, Dad. I'll pay you back; they are going to kill me."
- Jon Hammar, Jr., speaking by phone from a Mexican jail
Hammar, who faced down Iraqi insurgents in the final push on Fallujah in 2004, has been in dangerous situations before. But his treatment in the infamous prison, where Mexico's murderous Los Zetas and Gulf drug cartels hold sway, has his family fearing for the 27-year-old's life -- and begging the Obama administration for help. Hammar was arrested in the Mexican border city of Matamoros on Aug. 13, after declaring to a Mexican customs agent that he possessed an antique shotgun he was carrying through the country on his way to Costa Rica, where he and a pal planned to surf and forget the horrors of war that plagued Hammar long after his honorable discharge in 2007.
 
Even though a U.S. border agent in Brownsville, Texas, had assured Hammar the gun was legal as long as he declared it to Mexican authorities, he was nabbed just across the border, and charged with an aggravated felony punishable up to 15 years in prison. While in prison, Hammar has been repeatedly threatened and, according to reports, left chained for days to a steel bed. But it was the call, just two days after their son's arrest, that continues to haunt Hammar's parents. They believe their son's service to his country -- memorialized forever by a "USMC" tattoo on his arm, made him a target behind bars.
 
"The reason why he got processed so fast was because he has a USMC tattoo," Jon Hammar Sr., 48, told FoxNews.com. "You can't mistake who these guys are."
It was Hammar's mother, Olivia, who took the unnerving call at their Palmetto Bay, Fla., home. As her face turned ashen at the caller's demand, Jon Hammar Sr. grabbed the phone and heard a voice say, "This prison is our house!"
 
It wasn't an idle boast. The prison was the scene of the escape of 151 inmates in December 2010 and 59 in July 2011, and dozens of guards were later charged with helping with the breakout. And the prison has an unparalleled reputation for violence: In 2005, two American brothers jailed on homicide charges were found stabbed to death in their cells. The inmate ranks are swollen with members of the Mexican mafia and various cartels, shootouts and escapes are common and guards have confiscated guns and even an AK-47s from cells over the years.
 
Hammar could tell his son was under duress. He was fully prepared to pay the ransom, but the caller said he would call back in the morning with a Western Union account number. Hammar found that to be strange.
"You're about to kill my son and you don't even have an account number and you'll call me back?" Hammar said.
Hammar also wondered how the caller got his home number and was able to place the nighttime call. He got hold of a U.S. Consulate official who promised to convey the threat to high-ranking Mexican military officials in the region. No call came from the prison in the morning.
 
A shaken Hammar knew that he had to get to his son as soon as possible. After negotiating the procedural maze of obtaining consulate approval to go to the prison, Hammar and his son's attorney, Eddie Varon-Levy, made their way to Tamaulipas, the northeastern state where the prison is located just 15 miles from Brownsville, Texas. They were surprised to find that when they arrived, consular officials could not obtain clearance to accompany them behind the walls of the lockup. The men went inside alone.
 
On the surface, CEDES officials appeared to go out of their way to make "everything look good," Hammar recalled. His son, who was not expecting the visit, was shocked and worried when he saw them.
"He wasn't concerned about his safety, but ours," Hammar said. "He was more angry that we put ourselves at risk for coming to the prison."
 
His son looked worn out and thin, Hammar recalled. What concerned him most was how "odd" the side of his mouth looked and his son's reluctance to show his father his body.
"He was wearing his own clothes and when I went to lift his shirt up he knocked my hand away," Hammar said. "He wouldn't take his shirt off because he was concerned about repercussions."
 
There are numerous reports and allegations of inmate abuse by other inmates and prison officials in Mexico, some of which have resulted in death.
Ricardo Alday, a spokesman for the Mexican Consulate in Washington, D.C., told FoxNews.com Hammar's safety is guaranteed by the Mexican government.
"Mr. Hammar is currently detained in Tamaulipas and, as any other detainee facing criminal charges, he has the right to defense counsel and a fair trial," Alday said. "In addition, his life and integrity are protected by national and international laws."
 
Alday said Mexican authorities have ensured Hammar's right to help from U.S. diplomatic officials, and said he has been in contact with U.S. Consular officers in Mexico who have regularly visited him.
A spokesman for the State Department said officials have visited Hammar three times, spoken with him by phone and contacted prison officials to stop them from chaining him to the bed.
 
"The safety and well-being of U.S. citizens is something we take very seriously," said Peter Velasco.
But his father's confidence in the U.S. State Department has waned as his son has languished in prison.
"We're grateful that they saved his life and are being another set of eyes, but they haven't been much help getting him released," Hammar said.
Their son's PTSD also concerns the Hammars. After repeat combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, the wars took an emotional toll on Hammar.
His father said that Jon had received treatment through the Veterans Administration, but had a "very bad" reaction to the medication he was given and was reliant on therapy to help him cope.
"He has not been given any care in prison and, so far, we haven't seen any flare-ups," Hammar said. "We are still concerned."
Joseph J. Kolb is a regular contributor to FoxNews.com

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2012, 06:35:55 AM »
it's a shame what's happening to this young veteran.


i've had more than one experience in dealing with Mexican authorities over the years in circumstances where firearms were NOT involved and found them to be highly corrupt. i cannot fathom how the outcome would be if there had been firearms involved knowing the way the Mexican legal system operates.


they ALWAYS ended the same: CASH always had to accompany ANY kind of settlement, to every person involved, from the arresting officer right down to the jailer with the key to the cell...and there was ALWAYS jail. without cash and jail...there was NO resolution.


our system is not too much better...justice is dished out to those who can afford, (or not...depending on which end of it you are. if you can't afford to pay...you, more than likely will lose) to pay for it.


i remember a case a few years ago when an active duty marine was arrested at the border crossing, by Mexican authorities, in Tijuana with his AR in his truck when he simply was turning around to go back as he'd crossed into mexico erroneously; he ended up losing his truck and AR.


one should avoid firearms under ANY circumstances when entering Mexico. even to go there, legally, to hunt, is a nightmare of paperwork and legal demands and should be handled through an american consulate and a licensed outfitter.


i wish him well
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2012, 10:11:53 AM »
Were I the prez, this young Marine would be released or Nieto would have a price put on his head.
a couple of million would have half of mexico trying to kill their president.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2012, 10:38:32 AM »
I know if I had any say so on this, any harm come to that young man, a few airstrikes in strategic locations would occur. Of course as pres., I would deny anything from D.C. I guess my military is as corrupt as yours. Wanna Play!!gypsyman
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2012, 11:32:07 AM »
Dont go to mexico!!!!!!! Dont go to mexico with a gun!!!!! There are many that will tell you it is a great place just be careful. There are many in graveyards and swamps that would like to differ but cant.
A young Marine is not superman. Stay out of mexico. Why to do you think all the mexicans are trying to come here????

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 12:18:49 PM »
I know people who went down there to hunt quail.  They took their guns.  Had to fill out paperwork and the plantation owners had to verify.  He said he told them at the border and they told him it was ok.  Hmm.  Sounds like a set up for ransom money.  Mexico just a few short years ago was becoming a first world country until drug lords started taking over.  Maybe that is why we have a lot of illegals. 

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2012, 01:40:40 PM »
Typical Mexico, and our Chicanos are telling us this corruption is spreading up here into the US.
If you ever let one of them be a manager, or in control of anything your going to wish you hadn't.
A large company here finally caught one of their managers they had hired who was from Mexico.
Taking office furniture,computers, sensitive software,tools, and about anything else that wasnt nailed
down out the back door at night. And his buddy's were taking it all across the border and selling it.
Of course when they fired him he filed racial discrimination on them until the police got involved.

But in the mean time he had hired his family and buddy's into the company so badly that they are
almost bankrupt now. One girl who was his cousin and worked in a office was stealing money and
the other employees SS numbers and selling them. A lot of those employees experienced ID theft
recently and that was tied back to this. I do not trust them one bit, they wave the Mexican flag all
over the place and have absolutely no alegance to this country. Not only not go down there, do not
hire them! 

 

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2012, 02:40:10 PM »
I feel for this foolish young marine and his family.!What was he thinking, taking a gun into Mexico?Couldn't he have flown to Costa Rica? What a cesspool down there.


Strange, isn't it! We worry about  evil dictator's clear across the world from us, and spend BILLIONS fighting to spread Democracy, and ridding them of their evil leaders ::) , and we put up with these thugs across the border from us. Letting them send droves of their people to invade us, and jail any American they think they can extort money from in Mexico.


Perhaps  Texas should send their National Guard down there and once again become the largest state in the US ;) [size=78%] [/size]
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2012, 03:30:29 PM »
Don't get me wrong guys, a lot of the people that are here are not bad people , they are afraid and came here only to escape this madness. These people to me are political refugees and we should
help them. But then you have the likes of this who are not worth what it takes to shoot them.
The good ones left their homes and their family's behind and would love to be able to go home.
But you can not open the flood gates and let just anyone come in and not expect to get a lot of the
very worse that Mexico has to offer coming here. And bringing their corrupt and crime ridden lifestyle
with them. This is where the Catholic Church has gone off the tracks with its PC thinking lately.

You don't go confess your sins to a man behind a screen and have him tell you that your forgiven.
Then think that gives you the green light to go out there and do it again over and over as long as you
confess again. And when God said be fruitful and multiply, he meant do so responsibly and not like
a bunch of inbreed fruit flys. Mexico has no excuse for what it has become, beautiful beeches and
lots of natural resources. But until it deals responsively with its greed and corruption it will never
amount to anything other than what we are seeing now.



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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2012, 09:03:32 AM »
This boy is a Veteran who served with my son in Iraq, as in they knew one another and fought together.  What is said is true.  The frustrating reality is that drugs south of the border are King, Human Rights take a back seat, money talks, and corruptions knows no boundaries.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 09:40:41 AM »
send in a seal team and get him even if a team has to take a vacation together with some offical um camping and hunting gear maybe a chopper or two who would notice ? Just guys having a little R&R .
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 03:47:13 PM »
Typical Mexico, and our Chicanos are telling us this corruption is spreading up here into the US.
If you ever let one of them be a manager, or in control of anything your going to wish you hadn't.
A large company here finally caught one of their managers they had hired who was from Mexico.
Taking office furniture,computers, sensitive software,tools, and about anything else that wasnt nailed
down out the back door at night. And his buddy's were taking it all across the border and selling it.
Of course when they fired him he filed racial discrimination on them until the police got involved.

But in the mean time he had hired his family and buddy's into the company so badly that they are
almost bankrupt now. One girl who was his cousin and worked in a office was stealing money and
the other employees SS numbers and selling them. A lot of those employees experienced ID theft
recently and that was tied back to this. I do not trust them one bit, they wave the Mexican flag all
over the place and have absolutely no alegance to this country. Not only not go down there, do not
hire them!

As bad as all of that is, there is at least one thing that has happened to our country that is so much worse, it isn't even in the same league.  That would be hiring a Kenyan to be "president" and even worse, a communist Kenyan.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 04:04:32 PM »
And allowing that Kenyan to make a mockery out of our elective process by cheating. Then allow
him to do it again even after we have lost so many jobs and family homes to his policy's.
But we can't blame him if we allow him to get away with it like we are doing.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2012, 04:09:44 PM »
Stories like this one are common. I've known folks that have had the exact issue with the low lifes that run Mexico. If dear ol' dad thinks that they care about the black eye he's trying to give them with the media exposure is the answer, he's wrong. The US Consulate sucks and will be no help. Any contact with any Mexican authorities will only lead to them demanding money to take care of the issue. After dad has paid dearly, his son will still be in prison. His only recourse at this time is hired mercenaries. Figure about 100 grand to get the kid out. Otherwise, this will not end well. The story dad is going to hear is that his boy contracted a disease that came on suddenly and died. Because they were afraid the disease was contagious, they burned the body. They'll hand dad a carton of ashes, mostly from a bar-b-q pit. This story has happened hundreds of times to unsuspecting folks. Sad truth is that the US Gov't could care less and the Mexicans only see the money they can milk out of the family. If you think Mexico is safe, I invite you to enjoy any of the border towns. Just leave a will before crossing the border.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 04:45:18 AM »
This Marine does not deserve the treatment he is getting.  Period.  I pray for his quick release.


But, don't think for a second that he would have been treated much better in the U.S.  They caught him with a shotgun with barrel that was too short under Mexican law.  That was basically what got Randy Weaver.  Remember Ruby Ridge?

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 07:02:26 AM »
Dont go to mexico!!!!!!! Dont go to mexico with a gun!!!!! There are many that will tell you it is a great place just be careful. There are many in graveyards and swamps that would like to differ but cant.
A young Marine is not superman. Stay out of mexico. Why to do you think all the mexicans are trying to come here? ???
Ditto!  the   guy  put   himself  in  jepordy  when  he  stepped  over  the  border.