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Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« on: November 06, 2012, 02:42:40 PM »
My 1993 SB2 Handi-Rifle was having more and more misfires due to the hammer block dropping down before the hammer fell despite the trigger being held all the way back. Way back in '94, I purchased a "Life-time" warantee from NEF. Of course, the new owners won't honor that contract. Nonetheless, I sent the action and forearm in for both the repairs and to have a 20 gauge rifled barrel and a .357 Magnum barrel fitted. Initially their product service representative balked at fitting a new barrel to such and "old" gun but relented when she realized both barrels could be fitted to the cast-iron SB1 frame and mine is a SB2. My Handi has had a lot of use as a trainer for various NRA classes that I teach. I have had to replace the firing pin a couple of times due to idiots dry-firing it. I could have replaced the internals myself but the various parts suppliers cannot assure me what they have will fit my early rifle. I will let this forum know of my success or otherwise dealing with the factory folks. Does anyone here happen to know what the rifling twist rate is on the .357 barrel? I was hoping that it would be the industry standard of 1 in16' so I could shoot 200 grain cast lead bullets with it. I have never been very happy with the .44 RemMag barrel with its very slow 1 in 38" twist.
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 02:51:21 PM »
Unfortunately, not like the H&Rs of a few years ago..lets hope they get things together soon...
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 02:55:17 PM »
Handi's don't hold up to dry firings???!!  ???
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 03:53:48 PM »
I can tell you for sure that you will get more acurate answers about what will work and fit here than you ever will from the H&R factory reps.  Larry
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 04:17:45 PM »
Quote from: curator on November 06, 2012, 02:42:40 PM
My 1993 SB2 Handi-Rifle was ... sent the action and forearm in for both the repairs and to have a 20 gauge rifled barrel and a .357 Magnum barrel fitted. Initially their product service representative balked at fitting a new barrel to such and "old" gun but relented when she realized both barrels could be fitted to the cast-iron SB1 frame and mine is a SB2. ...   Does anyone here happen to know what the rifling twist rate is on the .357 barrel? I was hoping that it would be the industry standard of 1 in16' so I could shoot 200 grain cast lead bullets with it. I have never been very happy with the .44 RemMag barrel with its very slow 1 in 38" twist.
The twist rate for the .357Mag barrel according to the FAQ's is: ".357 Mag 1 in 18¾"  or 1:15½" "

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,26264.0.html
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My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.

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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 05:06:59 PM »
I dry fired my 223 maybe 100 times.  Do the pins peen out or fracture or what?  I got a deer hunt coming this weekend and can't have a failure!  You fellas thing I should put a new pin in?
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 06:10:40 PM »
OOOOh, Rampent Paranoia.  Larry
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 06:29:08 PM »
As a tun I never dry fire anything unless absolutely necessary for take-down, etc.  I dunno if it matters or not on a handi however it's what I was taught as a boy.
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 06:55:35 PM »
The whole fireing system is designed for the fireing pin to fall on a primer, when it doesn't then things go wrong.  The fireing pin is designed to be stopped by the collision with the primer, when that doesn't occur then it is stopped by something else, like the return spring, or the sholder of the fireing pin, or the rim cut on a rimfire rifle.  None of these are good things to have happen.  Why would anyone dryfire a gun anyway?  Didn't your father teach you anything?  Larry
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 03:28:43 AM »
Lots of manufactures say that dry firing is OK. Ruger comes to mind, it's in their owners manuals.

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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 10:44:55 PM »
Why not just use snap caps in the appropriate calibers?  :)

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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 03:02:54 PM »
Thank You OldSchoolRanger for the information on twist rate. I feel better already. I did not mean to set off a wave of paranoia over dry-firing. My Handi has had a lot of handling by NRA and Hunter Safety students. It probably gets dry fired a couple of times each session for the past 20 years. In that time I have replaced 3 firing pins. That is not a lot for heaps of abuse. Nonetheless dry-firing is not a good idea with this design. Snap caps would prevent damage. Better yet, simply lower the hammer with your thumb holding it and easing it forward. Not difficult!
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2012, 05:09:01 PM »
Quote from: wvrealtor on November 07, 2012, 03:28:43 AM
Lots of manufactures say that dry firing is OK. Ruger comes to mind, it's in their owners manuals.

Later,
  Stephen

H&R owner's manuals specifically states not to dry fire.

Tim


http://www.hr1871.com/documents/manuals/new/Handi-Rifle.pdf
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NOTICE: This firearm should
never be dry fired, as damage
could occur to the barrel and/or firing pin.
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2012, 05:23:33 PM »
Now I have yet another reason to rechamber my 35Rem for which I have not found a snap cap to the 358Win which will allow usage of the 308 snap cap.   The guy at the factory told me the action would loosen up after shooting a few boxes and I figure a snap cap would do the same thing for significantly less cost.
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2012, 05:35:41 PM »
You can make your own snap caps, see home made snapcaps in the FAQs.  ;)

Tim
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Re: Handi sent for repairs to H&R/Marlin/Remington
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 06:51:37 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on November 08, 2012, 05:35:41 PM
You can make your own snap caps, see home made snapcaps in the FAQs.  ;)

Tim

Will check, never thought of a home made snap cap, thanks for the heads up!! :)
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