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Young GIs Getting An Education
« on: March 17, 2012, 08:44:39 AM »
A bunch of young GIs from Eielson AFB are learning what is good for back home is not up to the job in Alaska.  Last week several young men went up the haul road looking for predators.  They were carrying .17 Remingtons, 204s and .223s.  One young man carried a 30-06, and he was laughed at when they left.  They thought they were set with those hot little .17s, 204s, and .223s.  I told one when he asked me about it the week before to take a minimum of a 25-06, he did not listen.  He had just bought a .17 Fireball.

Well they came back very unhappy.  The only thing they brought back was several little Arctic Foxes and one Big Wolf.  Guess who shot the Wolf, not the guys with the .17s, 204s, and 223s.  The old 30-06 got the job done.  The fellows with the little guns did get several shots at Wolves.  They said they shot one Wolf several times and swear they hit it.  But the Wolf showed no effect of being hit and ran off.  They found spots of blood, and tracked it for quite a ways.  They lost it when it decided to run the road leaving no tracks.  Their complaints were size of the animals, and distance.  They just could not get close enough for a good shot without being seen.  And the fact that the animals were always moving, and not in a straight line.  When a Wolf is moving at a seemingly casual trot, that animal is covering some ground.  Wolves can run on top of the crusted snow, humans can not.

My Partner has told them repeatedly you can not stalk Wolves.  When you see them it is time to shoot.  40 Yards, 100 yards, 300 yards, out to 700 yards, take the shot from where you are.  Getting closer is usually not an option.  These boys have a lot to learn.  One of them is my Partner's Nephew.  He is the one that did not listen about the 25-06.  Think we may have his attention now.  This is the second time he has not listened and got burned.
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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2012, 07:38:34 PM »
...My Partner has told them repeatedly you can not stalk Wolves.  When you see them it is time to shoot.  40 Yards, 100 yards, 300 yards, out to 700 yards, take the shot from where you are.  Getting closer is usually not an option.  These boys have a lot to learn.  One of them is my Partner's Nephew.  He is the one that did not listen about the 25-06.  Think we may have his attention now.  This is the second time he has not listened and got burned.
SD - Wait and watch, you'll see, the older they get, the smarter you get.  It happened to me, I use to give my nephews advice which they ignored, now they think I know everything. ::) ;)
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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 01:15:44 AM »


.....  This is the second time he has not listened and got burned.

  Funny how that happens when some one doesn't listen to "the old guys".

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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 07:03:37 AM »
Yea, Norman's nephew wanted to go out with us running trap lines and doing things.  We told him to get a good utility snowmachine.  No he had to listen to the young men in his shop at work and went out and bought one of those crotch rocket type machines.  Narrow 17" wide track, long track, big cleats 2" tears up the trail and digs itself down into a hole real fast.  Big powerful two stroke motor, when that baby comes on the pipe he is gone, unless he is behind us and has to back off the throttle and sinks himself in the snow, and it stinks burning all that oil.  Great for going fast, in fact it has to go fast to stay on top of the snow. 

We don't go fast, we go slow.  My machine has a 24 inch wide track, a big four stroke engine, with lots of low end tourque.  Norm has a similer machine.  We normaly run about 10 to 15 miles per hour.  Sometimes slower depending on how crowded and crooked the trail is with trees.  Norms cousin hates to ride on the back of my machine as passenger, but that is where he rides since he has decided his machine is no good on a trap line, or riding around with us.  Now when he is out with his buddies back at the base that machine is in it's element, but not when he goes out with his Uncle and I. 

Yesterday he and Norm came over.  I let him shoot my 7MM Mag and a 25-06.  Norm had him shoot a .338 Win Mag as well.  Kid was not ready for that one.  Would not be surprised if he don't own a medium bore within the week.
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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2012, 11:59:03 AM »
SD, when I was up there in '97, was told that firearms werent allowed on the haul road cause of the pipeline. Thought it was a bunch of BS,   so was that ever true, or did the  regulations change?  Todd

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 02:10:01 AM »
IIRC, you have to be a mile either side of the pipeline to use a firearm.  When a snow machine is doing the packing, you can take a mighty big rifle a long way. 
I told my pap and mam I was going to be a mountain man; acted like they was gut-shot. "Make your life go here, son. Here's where the people is. Them mountains is for Indians and wild men." "Mother Gue", I says "the Rocky Mountains is the marrow of the world," and by God, I was right. Keep your nose in the wind and your eye along the skyline

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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 03:54:10 PM »
My machine has a 24 inch wide track, a big four stroke engine, with lots of low end torque. 

That wouldn't be a yellow color, with a single ski in the front would it?  ;D   

Am I dating myself, or what?  In 1973 we were winter surveying on a reroute of the Nenana Highway, out between the University and Ester.  Most of the crew was on snowshoes, but we had one Ski-do with a sled to haul equipment in with.  The machine was impossible to get stuck, and had a reverse on it so you could back out of trouble if necessary.  It didn't go very fast, though.  Of course back then, none of them went very fast so it wasn't a problem.

Incidentally, the last time I was in Fairbanks I saw that there has been another reroute of that portion of highway, and the part we surveyed is now the "Old Nenana Highway."  What was then the "Old Nenana Highway" now bears another name.  Progress, I guess.

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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 09:17:56 AM »
To hunt along the Haul Road, you have to be five miles from the road to use a gun for hunting.  The law passed by the legislature back when the road was going to be open to the public said Hunting.  Keep that in mind.  No one was worried about someone shooting the pipeline, it was put in place to satisfy the locals that live in the area, they did not want hunters coming from Anchorage and Fairbanks and hunting in their area.  They felt five miles would be too far for anyone to walk from the pipeline.  Therefore no one would be hunting in their back yard.

Now in the law, nothing is said about Trapping along the pipeline.  I'm sure this was an oversite by the Legislature, and the locals at the time.  Many people were trapping there already before the pipeline was put in place.  It took a few years before the general public figured this out.  In methods and means one of the methods of trapping is shooting.  So if someone wants to trap a Wolf, a Fox, or a Coyote, along the pipeline, all they have to do is get a trapping license and drive the Haul Road.  As long as they don't shoot from, onto, or across the highway it is legal to use a rifle or shotgun for the taking of furbearers with a trapping license.  A friend is trying to get it pasted in the Legislature to allow bird hunting along the Haul Rd with a shotgun.  There are Thousands of Ptarmagine along the road above Attagun Pass.  One little chip at a time. 

The first time I took the wife up to the North Slope hunting, we had a bad experience going down the North Side of Attagun Pass.  On the North Side the road is narrow, twisty with switchbacks, and a sheer face of rock on the right side, and nothing not even a guard rail back then on the left side.  I was driving a Jeep Scrambler.  As we neared the last switchback, with the wife in near panic mode from the road, a bunch of Ptarmigan flew up scared by the Jeep.  They were flying straight into the strong wind.  Due to the wind they made a 180 degree turn and came straight at the Jeep.  Several hit the windshield, killing them and splattering blood all over the windshield.  Visability was zip.  I had to roll down the window and stick my head out to see where I was going.  Thought the wife was going to jump.  She actually had the door open to jump when I told her not to. 

We went on North and got our Caribou with Archery right beside the road.  On the way back, thought I was going to have to hog tie her to go through the pass.  She did not want to go back up that road.  Today they have a Guard Rail along that section.  When you see pictures of Attagun Pass on Ice Road Truckers they always show the South side.  That is a pretty straight and gradual climbing section of the road.  I've never seen them show the North Side of the Pass, it's a whole nuther road in comparrison.  At the bottom of the decent on the North Side is a spring that flows year round.  Dall sheep are almost always seen on the road licking salt from the roadbed, and watering from that spring.  They will stand there and let you get to within 10 feet of them.  You can get some real close ups with out a telephoto lens.  Mostly Ewes and Lambs, but every once in a while there will be a big Ram there as well. 
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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 08:15:21 AM »
SD, I thought the ptarmigan were neat looking birds and enjoyable to watch, but they are a little on the,not too bright side.

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Re: Young GIs Getting An Education
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 04:15:47 PM »
I had the pleasure of working for Doyon, as a security courier on the pipeline.  I saw a lot of everything along the haul road.  It is a great place and I hope to be back there again someday.  Reading your story brought back some good memories.  Thanks!
John