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Nanothermite Exposed...an explosive dot connecting exercize...
« on: October 08, 2011, 08:45:28 AM »
  Nanothermite?.....let's connect a few dots....
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 08:48:01 AM »
So thermite in and explosive??? News to me.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 09:47:29 AM »
I don't know anything about thermite, but here's an interesting site that talks about it.

debunking911.com/thermite.htm

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Re: Nanothermite Exposed...an explosive dot connecting exercize...
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 10:11:46 PM »
I don't know anything about thermite, but here's an interesting site that talks about it.

debunking911.com/thermite.htm

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 02:04:31 AM »
thanks heather, I copy, but it don't give me a paste option.  my computor ?
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 05:40:08 AM »
Explosives are chemical reactions that "burn" faster than the speed of sound. Propellants are chemical reactions that "burn" slower than the speed of sound. Black powder is one of those crazy ones that goes both ways.
Primary explosive filler is called HMX in the US other countries use RDX. They are both products from the same process (some still use TNT but it is more expensive to manufacture these days). HMX is a little more thermally stable. The explosive kick is measured by TNT equivalency and brissance. Neither of the two are related. The demolition charge C4 has a high percentage of HMX in it to give it more brissance. Bombs on the other hand have less percentage of HMX becuase higher brissance isn't needed. Penetrating bombs want lower brisance to do more damage under ground, think of the slow rolling shock waves of an earthquake.Which is why mining operations use alot of ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel. Long shock wave and low brisance. (Ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel do not have enough for a military grade explosive)
Black powder being granules burns and if pressurized will go above the speed of sound quickly. Black powder is very sensitive to porrous bed burning which means if you pile it up deep enough it will run to detonation (which is more of an over pressure situation)
Thermite is nothing more than aluminum powder and iron oxide. Aluminum powder reacts with water and forms hydrogen gases. So aluminum powder burns well and when you add iron oxide it speeds up some.
Nano particle materials have been made and are in production. With the smaller particle sizes it speeds up the burn rates a bit. Nano thermite does burn a little faster and for the most part is not used commercialy. It is expensive to produce (or was, I haven't worked with it in a few years, it was very expensive in early 2000). Because of the nature of nano particle materials they are very bulky even when mixed with polymers to keep them wetted to make them less sensitive.
Black powder is a very poor explosive but very cheap, thermite standard grade is great for starting fires, melting steel etc. 
Thermite is not used in current US explosives its burn rate is just way to slow and it really doesn't have any effect on the primary explosive.
So why is thermite residue found in places it shouldn't be? Fires that have aluminum in them generally have some steel bits also. What you have after a fire that contains aluminum and steel is thermite residue made by the fire. Add fire fighting water and it looks even more sinister.
Add a nice jet fuel fire with lots of aluminum burning a steel building and you have even more thermite type reactions.
What actually caused WTC #7 to fall and look like floor by floor demolitions, well consider it takes about a week of work with heavy equipment and fairly precise explosive placement to do that. Was WTC #7 vacated for about a week so walls could be knocked down and explosives set? In 2001 there just wasn't enough nano material being made.
 
 

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 05:53:53 AM »
Shu, I googled a few of the points you made and each one was right along the same lines as yours.
of course, some of it was Greek to me.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 06:42:39 AM »
Bugeye,
If my post was greek, let me know which part, I'll try to english it up a bit. Sometimes I get a too much jargon going.
Brissance is the shattering effect. High brissance for a sharp jolt to crush or shadder the shock waves is very fast. Low bissance for a deep boom so to speak, longer shock wave.
TNT equivalency is how much of a certain type of explosive is equal to an equal weight of TNT.
 
 
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I haven't seen any of the residue from WTC7 or any actual data. I have seen alot of explosions and fires though. Don't get to wrapped up in those burn rates, overpressures and plasma jets from an explosion can tell you more. Over pressure is a funny thing, it can cause all kinds of wierd things to happen.
Department of Transportation helps set the classifiaction of explosive and hazardous materials.
Some things becuase it is transported in bulk on open raodways. Under the right conditions somethings are hazardous.
Would you believe flour used for cooking has alot of explosive potential? Yet it is used safely daily for many years.
 
As far as WT7, How much is steel and how much is very consumable materials, as in carpet a petroleum product that once it gets burning it does so very well. If the builder short changed the steel content or made substandard substitutions you could be looking at something different all together.
 
 
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 07:14:44 AM »
Shu, your post was crystal clear.  some websites have more than plain language sometime.
your "flour" comment was right.  back before farmers put wire guards around barn lights, a bird could hit an exposed lightbulb and blow the barn into the next county.
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