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"Another" .35 Whelen FTF **Problem SOLVED, BAD primers**
« on: October 09, 2011, 06:42:08 AM »
Tim, thought I'd get your opinion before I start making alterations.  I do know the gun had fired 8 factory rounds before I got it.  I'm using handloads and getting about half FTF.  Firing pin protrusion is .052" which I think would be enough.  I can push the transfer bar forward and get .072" so kinda makes me think a very light trim of the hammer nose would get me a few frog hairs deeper dimple.  However, I'm using formed brass so my other thought is that the guy who formed them might have set the shoulder back and maybe I have a headspace problem.  Any thoughts?  Goatwhiskers

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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 06:45:40 AM »
I put a .025 thousandth shim between shellholder and die and that cured my ftf issues
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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 06:58:20 AM »
I'm with ya Jason, but these were formed for me by a friend out of once fired 'o6 brass in his dies set for his bolt action, so I'm not sure what I have.  Goat

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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 07:06:57 AM »
Drop one of those sized cases into your chamber, it should be flush with the chamber face, if it's recessed any, it can cause misfires. To fix the rounds that have the shoulder pushed back too far, you can load them with a start load of your choice, seat the bullet long into the rifling so when the action is closed the case will be flush with the chamber face, then fire form it to push the shoulder back where it should be.  I've done it that way, and it works. I have been using a .375 H&H expander to neck up, then size properly in a full length die for my 35 Whelen Improved which has ~.010" too much head space making a standard 35W round very recessed in the Improved  chamber instead of flush. You may have to use a 250gr bullet to reach the lands too.

You'll need to adjust the FL die down just a little at time to push the should back to where it needs to be so the round is flush with the chamber face using a straight edge across the face, size then test, adjust die, size and test again until it's just right.

The downward angle of the firing pin can further exacerbate misfires, it isn't inline with the bore, so the farther away from the breech face the primer is, the lower the firing pin hits and sufficiently offcenter pin strikes are a known cause of misfires even if the strike is sufficiently deep.

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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 11:37:36 AM »
Tim, tried the headspace trick and it was off, seated bullets out, no joy.  Shaved the hammer nose just enough to gain .003", nada.  Started thinking (painful) about the primers I was using--some Winchesters bought before the dawn of recorded history (yeah I'm that old) and switched to some fresher CCI, works like a charm.  WW are in the trash can.  All is well with the world again.  Goatwhiskers

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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 12:23:18 PM »
So ya just threw in some ancient primers to see if you could trick us, eh??  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF **Problem SOLVED, BAD primers**
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 03:43:26 PM »
Moral of the story (one of, anyway), do a bunch of other stuff before you start removing metal and modifying parts!
Real glad it worked out for you  ;D .
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Re: "Another" .35 Whelen FTF **Problem SOLVED, BAD primers**
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 04:21:31 PM »
Yessirree!  Sixe munts agoe I cud not spel gonschmidt, and now I are one!  Goat :o