Author Topic: New 700 bolt pics (Read 1689 times)

fastchicken · « **on:** June 22, 2011, 02:58:22 PM »

I just got my new 700 in today and was surprised to see the way the lug was cut. Is this something new they're doing or am I destine for another wonderful customer service experience?

parkergunshop · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:00:48 PM »

Fastchicken,

Are you concerned about the bevel in the top picture? Is this not the left lug which faces up when the bolt is closed?

I can see the rockwell test imprints on both locking lugs.

Don't understand the bevel and the machine work on the right lug near the bolt guide slot looks a little sloppy.

roper · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:06:14 PM »

Some of the older Rem 700 have a cut in the lug it was for the long safety that extended past the housing.

pastorp · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2011, 04:51:41 PM »

Should not a bought a off brand like Remington. Say anyone know who owns them now?

Regards,

Hooker · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2011, 05:10:01 PM »

The cut is a guide for the receiver rail , the wide area at that rear of the lug is to ease transition from the locking position back on to the rails.
Mine has the same cut.

Pat

rugerfan.64 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2011, 05:14:09 PM »

The cut is for the anti bind feature of the Remington action. I dont recall the one on my Remington being that sloppy looking though. I am sure we will be informed rather quickly about some new manufacturing improvement that Remington made recently. The Remington guru is sure to chime in after the good pastor baited him like that. With bait like that we know he cannot resist. It might be wrong,but SOMETIMES its fun. PS those Remington SPS bolts feel like sand paper on sand paper.

fastchicken · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2011, 02:02:21 AM »

I should have been more clear, I know the right lug is cut on the 700s for the rail [7s aren't cut], but the cut on my other 700s don't open up at the back of the lug like this one does. And Parkergunshop, the 700 lugs are only cut on the right lug, which faces down when the bolt is closed. Those are two pics of the same lug.
The bolt on the right is from another 700, the left is the new one. I was just curious if they started cutting them different and if I should be concerned about the loss of material on the bearing surface on the back of the lug. THe new bolt functions fine and does not have any more noticable play than any of of my other 700s.

parkergunshop · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2011, 03:27:05 AM »

Fastchicken,

There is not enough difference in the bearing surface for the bottom lug on your new rifles bolt to make any difference due to the taper at the end of the slot. The wider tapered opening at the end of the guide slot maybe to make operation smoother and avoid any possible binding.

roper · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2011, 04:02:39 AM »

Here is a picture of the old Rem trigger with the longer safety for the cut in the bolt.

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php/topic,3764021.msg35946583.html#msg35946583

fastchicken · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2011, 06:28:15 AM »

I was thinking of the bearing surface on the back of the lug, that mates with the recess in the receiver, that takes the recoil. That bevel takes some of that material away, unlike the other bolt.

parkergunshop · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2011, 07:34:39 AM »

Fastchicken,

The bevel is a good idea, it allows for easier and smoother bolt closing and gives the shooter mechanical advantage in that it acts like an inclined plane to multiply the force applied to the bolt handle to close the bolt into locking position.

should not take away enough lug bearing surface to make any real difference.

fastchicken · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2011, 08:41:13 AM »

Talked with 2 differents reps, 1st was at their "General product questions" prompt and he said he had heard of a possible design change but had never heard if it had been implimented, so he didn't know if was a change or a flaw. The 2nd rep I spoke with was for the repair shop and he had not heard of or seen anything like it.
He suggested e-mailing pics to their info center. I would think Remington would want to keep their techs and reps up to speed on any changes and/or mods to be able to provide a better service for the customer, but I guess that's too much to ask.

pastorp · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:09:14 AM »

Fastchicken,

Did their product reps speak English? I heard they are going overseas with mfg.

Regards,

dks7895 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:19:32 AM »

This happens in a lot of industries. They get too big and quality control goes out the window. Regardless of a possible design change... that's some pretty sloppy machine work. I'd send it back.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:22:23 AM »

The dimple is a hardness test ? looks like a spot weld in the photo

parkergunshop · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2011, 10:58:01 AM »

Shootitall,

The dimple is for sure a hardness test impression from a hardness tester. There should be one underneath the front receiver ring also. I have tested Remington bolts that had been abused (house fire) for hardness using a rockwell tester and it leaves a similar mark though smaller. One Remington bolt I tested was a little soft, with one lug reading Rockwell C30 the other Rockwell C29, I would prefer a reading closer to a Rockwell C40 for the bolt lugs with the receiver testing in the middle Rockwell 35C range, the receiver should be a few points softer than the bolt lugs to avoid bolt lug gauling.

Fast Chicken go to your local gun dealer and see if his inventory of Remington new 700s on hand have the same features as your bolt.

By the way the phone reps at Remington are most likely the lowest paid staff members with the least experience, someone with good gunsmithing knowledge can bring down $60.00 per hour like most gunsmiths charge now.

fastchicken · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2011, 08:20:30 AM »

I e-mailed a question and a pic to Remington this morning and their response was "unresolved". So I called and explained the whole thing again and the woman found my e-mail and was as confused as I was with the response I was given.
She couldn't get the picture to open but she said all the 700 bolts should be cut the same [an even slot] and from my description to send the gun back in. They are sending me a pre-paid UPS shipping w/insurance label to send it back. At least I don't have to pay the shipping, but it's aggravating to have to send a brand new rifle back.

Hooker · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2011, 02:28:50 PM »

fastchicken I have a SPS in 30 06 that I'm working on for a friend it has the same cut and the gun shoot very well.
My SPS Tactical 308 also has the same cut and it shoots 1/4 MOA .
The cut does not seem to interfere with the performance of either rifle.

Pat

fastchicken · « **Reply #18 on:** June 25, 2011, 03:57:50 AM »

I have no doubt it will shoot well and it functions just fine, but when I buy something brand new it's not going to have anything wrong with it. Even if it is only cosmetic.
Now, I'm not a perfectionist and I don't expect museum quality from a $425 gun, but I do expect to get parts that don't look like as if someone got a little carried away on the grinder

. If it had been sent with a blued bolt instead of a matte finish one I'd send it back just because I didn't spend my money to get a mismatched gun.

fastchicken · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2011, 06:08:46 AM »

Apparently Remington figured the bolt shouldn't have been like that either cause they replaced it. I should have the rifle back Monday. Now I just need it not to be an oven outside so I can shoot without roasting

.

fastchicken · « **Reply #20 on:** July 25, 2011, 04:05:39 PM »

Well, I got my rifle back and they did replace the bolt, but with another one with the same chamfer on the rail cut

. The repair notes said the chamfer was not excessive, but the braze on the bolt handle was [which I had noticed but wasn't concerned with, and that's why it was replaced, go figure].
The parts list showed a new police matte bolt assembly and extractor. I guess that's how they're making them now. The chamfer actually gives the bolt more resistance upon closing for some reason than the bolts without it, so I'm still confused on the idea behind it.