Midway carries them as well, I think. I asked Skeet Shooter about them back in the summer and he told me that CBC only makes so many a year, then you are on backorder. Also, the hulls are thinner than plastic, so you have to use 11 guage wads for a 12 guage shotgun. Where do ya find those? I'm sure Old Western Scrounger probably has 'em, but that is a real pain to have to order EVERYTHING! And why use rifle primers? Skeet's brass uses 209 primers. His shells are expensive, but they are quality. Another thing Skeet Shooter makes is a guage reducer. You can get them to reduce a 12 to a 20 oreven a .410! They are the same size as a regular shell. I plan on getting a few to use for my daughter when she starts CAS. I have a 12 guage that is short stocked, and with the 20 guage reducers, it ought to be just right. And, no I don't have stock in his company! :-D Skeet is just a good friend with a good product.