Author Topic: just shot my new tracker 2 slug 12g. barrel. updated with new question. 4/19/11 (Read 2489 times)

Jason F · « **on:** April 09, 2011, 07:39:58 AM »

Shot my new barrel today I thought it was going to rip my head off never shot slug gun that kicked that hard is it because it is so light my mossberg 500 ain't nothing like that

Is this barrel safe to shoot on sb1 frame?
Because it kicks so hard

oldsoldja · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2011, 08:10:01 AM »

lol, they kick a bit. Imagine the 12 and the 10 gauge.

We were screwing around and made some short 12 gauges with pistol grips, omg. The only way you can shoot them is with the low recoil.

Jason F · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2011, 11:39:25 AM »

That was the 12

gcrank1 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2011, 04:24:19 PM »

Thus why my 'Buck' barrel 12 is called the '.727 Overkill'

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There is a recoil calc online (handloads.com?) that lets you plug in gun weight and load. The 12ga. in a lightweight Handi with factory Foster slug 2 3/4" loads is generating recoil like some of the smaller cal. Africa rifles.
Get the 'feel' of it without breaking the bank

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GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2011, 11:41:35 PM »

If you want recoil, shoot the Winchester Partition Gold 385 grain at 2000 fps........ 55+ pounds of recoil !

Ron

gcrank1 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 12, 2011, 05:17:12 AM »

Yep......that in an under 6# Handi platform will be just plain nasty!

Before you touch it off make a chiroprator appointment for right after the range session

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Jason F · « **Reply #6 on:** April 12, 2011, 09:59:57 AM »

i am shooting 525 grain lyman sabot slugs with 44 grains blue dot ,12r wad,winchester AA hull

bikerbeans · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:07:22 PM »

Jason,

Have you shot your Lyman slugs through a chrony? Alliant's reloading data give 1,425 FPS with an 1.25 oz shot load (didn't see slug data) with a charge of 37.5 grains of Blue Dot. I shoot those same slugs using WSF but I stopped @ 30 grains and have settled on 25 grains. Also, I am shooting them out of an autoloader, not a Tracker. Might be time to make friends with an orthopedic surgeon.

BB

Jason F · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:42:23 PM »

no i havnt used a chrony but i got the data out of new reloading book i cant remeber off hand fps i think it was about 1500 i will have to check

Jason F · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2011, 01:45:14 PM »

just went and checked book it says 1410 fps at 9100 psi

bikerbeans · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2011, 03:10:17 PM »

Jason,

Thanks for the load info. I may try Blue Dot when the WSF is gone.

BB

gcrank1 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:01:50 AM »

The typical 'Foster' slug loads are 1oz (some 1.25 in 3" ?) at around that 1600fps range; and they are brutal in mine. I 'detuned' some by reducing the powder charge by 25% and they were not too bad, and still accurate at 50yd.
I have to get some of the correct shotcups to try the Lymans, or will they work with about anything?

joeyant · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2011, 09:20:53 AM »

First time I shot a slug out of my 12 ga Pardner, It felt like somebody punched me in the rotator cuff.
After that, I stopped, switched over to the 410 barrel, and spent the rest of the afternoon just shooting 410 shells.

Went home, dissected the stock, filled the hole with left over BB pellets from my air pistols, and inserted a recoil pad.

What a difference. The increased weight of the stock absorbs more of the 12 ga recoil. Problem is, the Pardner is not as
much fun to lug around anymore because it weighs much more. But you don't have that flinching anticipation anymore when you pull the trigger because it won't kick back as much. Wearing a shotgun recoil vest makes it even much better but the LOP is increased a little too much making aiming a little awkward.

I guess nobody died from a little shotgun recoil......

gcrank1 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2011, 03:47:46 PM »

I tried the lead weigt in the butt, threw the balance off too much, weighed more as you say, and did not dampen recoil enough to offset the weight.
The most effective was going to a stock H&R recoil pad equiped stock and adding a slip on extra.
Im long armed enough to get away with that solution (and that leather 'slip-on' does look classy).
I suppose somebody here shoots these with a hard plate buttstock

and considers it a loafing load.
A man's got to know his limitations.........

Jason F · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2011, 12:21:10 AM »

Depending on powder you can use f114 yellow wads with unique and herco

bikerbeans · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2011, 02:24:23 AM »

Jason,

the Blue Duster, 1 1/8 oz. 12 ga. trap wads work well with the WSF powder & the Lyman sabots. I am using HI brass remington & federal hulls that were originally loaded with buckhammers & barnes expanders, respectively.

I also found that I can keep the lyman sabots to Minute of Paper Plate @ 100 yards shooting them out of a smooth bore slug barrel, although they are more accurate out of a fully rifled barrel.

BB

gcrank1 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2011, 05:57:32 AM »

It is my 'stopping gun' so 100yd. MOPP groups arent required (but always nice), especially offhand with open sights on a hard kicker.
I discovered that it needs to be held firmly, but not tightley, to hurt less. Tightly has too much muscle tension; you need to just roll with the recoil, let it happen and go with it. Way big improvement for me anyway.

Jason F · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2011, 08:23:30 PM »

Is this barrel safe to shoot on sb1 frame because of recoil

bikerbeans · « **Reply #18 on:** April 19, 2011, 04:26:08 AM »

Jason,

All the Handi shotgun barrels come on an SB1 frames except for the 12 ga USH & 10 ga models. Although your 12 kicks a lot because of the light weight of the gun and the heavy weight of the projectile the chamber pressure of a 12 ga is fairly low.

BB

Rangr44 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 19, 2011, 02:17:04 PM »

FWIW, rifled barrels, like the Tracker II's, do best with saboted slugs & vice-versa.

Likewise, non-rifled barrels, like older Ithaca Deerslayer's, do better with non-saboted, Foster-type or Brenneke-type slugs - which, in turn, do better in non-rifled barrels than in rifled ones.

To each, their own...................

Since I use my Tracker II for hunting, I really don't care how hard it recoils, since I'm not very concerned about a followup shot - it's a SS gun, and either the deer, or me, will be flat on our backs.

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scratchmark · « **Reply #20 on:** April 19, 2011, 03:35:35 PM »

whats the kick like in the usg?

Jason F · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2011, 05:38:51 PM »

I don't mind the kick when shooting at a deer its just the sighting in part I have a hard time with

gcrank1 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2011, 05:27:58 AM »

One mans kick is another mans shove, it's just all so subjective. I've often heard that if you don't mind shooting a round of trap with a 12 ga that you are not very recoil sensitive.
I do know that 12 ga Foster 2 3/4" x1600ish fps are something I won't shoot off a bench, I have to be able to roll with the recoil.

scratchmark · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2011, 07:13:37 AM »

im kinda a kick junkie

Rangr44 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2011, 05:22:50 PM »

Quote from: Jason F on April 20, 2011, 05:38:51 PM

I don't mind the kick when shooting at a deer its just the sighting in part I have a hard time with

NP - Just place a small bag of birdshot between the butt & your shoulder, when sighting-in, and/or shooting off a bench.
It works wonders.........................................

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gcrank1 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2011, 05:27:42 PM »

In that case Scratchmark, I recommend the hard ,non recoil pad equipped stock

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bikerbeans · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2011, 06:27:25 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on April 21, 2011, 05:27:42 PM

In that case Scratchmark, I recommend the hard ,non recoil pad equipped stock .

a plastic butt stock has a little give, I would go with the curved metal BC Butt Stock.

BB

Thunder · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:22:34 AM »

Jason F,
I have to laugh. I did the same as you. My daughter shoots a 20 USH I built her and I thought I would build myself a super lite 12. By the time I finished the stocks and assembled the gun it weighed 5 lbs. I took it to the range and touched it off with a sand bag between it and my shoulder. My glasses went one way and my muffs ended up on the scope. Holy ****. I am 6-3 @ 220 lbs and it earned my respect. I have since increased the weight to 7 lbs and installed a Limbsaver custom pad and now I love it. Find the right combo and you will like yours also.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2011, 07:51:08 AM »

Thunder, I like that,"earned my respect"!
Now that she's got some weight on her is it like 'when the fat lady sings'?

offhand35 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:42:40 PM »

JasonF, I have not been on the H&R forum in quite some time, but your post caught my eye!
I got a Tracker II 12ga in 2003, and shot the Lyman 525gr slug with 44gr Blue dot in the 2 3/4" AA hull with WAA12R wad as shown in the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handabook, 4th ed. My notes state that the load was punishing and succeeding shots were difficult as my shoulder began to resemble hamburger..... I did chrony that load at 1450fps. I also found that 43gr of Blue Dot gave a better crimp with this load,
I did not continue long with this, as I found the 2 3/4" Federal Power Shok, , F127ss, with a 437gr BRI sabot style slug at 1372fps was more managable, and just as accurate.

Oh.......and I had the bbl Mag-Na-Ported, and added a Dead Mule mercury recoil reducer to the butt stock. The Mag-Na-Port keeps the bbl down for better followup to the shot, and I never felt the gun to be imbalanced by the Dead Mule......