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Offline baer19d

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Recoil problem
« on: March 30, 2011, 06:17:40 PM »
I have a problem with my 460 S&W that is a re-chambered 454 Cassull TC Encore Factory barrel. The problem is that the forearm screws have been ripped out by the recoil I think. I had the barrel looked at by the gunsmith who rechambered it to make sure there was nothing wrong that would cause excessive recoil and he drilled and tapped new holes for me. I have a Pachmyre Grip and forearm so could the extra weight of the Pachmyre forearm vs. the wooded one be to blame? If so than would adding a bi-pod would make it even worse because it would be even more weight? I think it would.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 06:55:20 PM »
i cant see how the forend screws would get bent iv bent a grip bolt before were the screws to short
was the forend in a vice so that it couldint move
what type of scope base do you have is that OK
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 07:33:35 PM »
Quote from: luckydawg13 on March 30, 2011, 06:55:20 PM
i cant see how the forend screws would get bent iv bent a grip bolt before were the screws to short
was the forend in a vice so that it couldint move
what type of scope base do you have is that OK
No, I was just shooting off of sandbags and the scope base is a steel Redfield 3 ring.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 07:45:50 PM »
Physics says that a heavier weight will be harder to get moving when you shoot your Encore, so a heavier forearm will work the screws more than a lighter one. I can't believe that a plastic forearm is a lot heavier than a wood one though. If you hang a bipod on something that is already weak, then you are really looking for problems.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 02:53:04 AM »
bilmac, the pachmeyer forearm IS quite a bit heavier than wood.  I quit using mine years ago on a single screw 10" setup on my Contender after it bent the dovetail lock on my 44 mag barrel.

Mike, I would imagine that a barrel band or other method to secure your bipod would be necessary to avoid the same grief you already experienced with the forend screws.

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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 07:18:02 AM »
Are you using a Pachmayr standard or magnum forend?  Also did the screws rip out of the barrel or out of the forend?

I have a factory T/C Encore 454 Casull was 15" now 12" after being cut down and re-crowned by SSKIndustries.com.  This barrel wears SSK’s T’SOB 6 screw base and three rings with T/C 2.5-7x28mm reticle illuminated scope.

I use the Pachmayr magnum forend and grip without any problems off sand bags, rests or offhand shooting. I utilize the swivel attachments for the T/C pistol sling carry.

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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 08:50:51 PM »
Quote from: yooper77 on March 31, 2011, 07:18:02 AM
Are you using a Pachmayr standard or magnum forend?  Also did the screws rip out of the barrel or out of the forend?

I have a factory T/C Encore 454 Casull was 15" now 12" after being cut down and re-crowned by SSKIndustries.com.  This barrel wears SSK’s T’SOB 6 screw base and three rings with T/C 2.5-7x28mm reticle illuminated scope.

I use the Pachmayr magnum forend and grip without any problems off sand bags, rests or offhand shooting. I utilize the swivel attachments for the T/C pistol sling carry.

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I don't know if it's a standard or a magnum since I bought it used. It looks just like the one that Pachmayr lists now and the screws ripped out of the barrel.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 09:11:38 PM »
I used to have the same problem on my 500 S&W.  Chances are that your forend is NOT the Magnum one.  The easiest way to tell is that the ears (the part that cover the hinge pin) on the magnum are soft.  In fact the whole forend feels like nothing more than a piece of heavy foam rubber.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2011, 02:59:24 AM »
Unfortunately, this is a bain for the Encore.  Having the forearm screwed directly to the barrel makes it easy for recoil to bend the screws, especially if they are not tight.  I've seen this happen to several Encores.  You might consider using a little Locktite (the removable type) to help keep the forearm from working it's way loose.  This will prevent enough "slack" that allows the screws to bend and strip out.

The other alternative would be to have dovetails cut into the barrel and install dovetail studs like the Contender barrels already have.  You would probably need to slightly modify the forearm also to accomodate the studs.  I think that Bullberry already does this with their custom barrels and forearms for the Encore.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 08:18:22 AM »
thanks for all the info
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 12:59:15 PM »
OK, I replaced the Pachmyre Decelerator forearm wit a wooden one and I didn't have any problems with the screws. I also added a little LocTite so that probably helped. Now I'm having a problem with The steele scope base coming loose. I'll try replacing it with a lighter aluminum 6 screw one and see it that fixes the problem.
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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 05:25:09 PM »
Pachmayr standard (top) or magnum (bottom) forends. The Pachmayr standard forend is a lot heavier than magnum forend.

SSK T’SOB 6 screw base and three rings with T/C 2.5-7x28mm reticle illuminated scope installed on the T/C Encore factory 12" 454 Casull barrel cut down and re-crowned by SSKIndustries.com.

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Re: Recoil problem
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 09:35:57 AM »
Yooper,
   I have a standard forearm. I replaced it with a wooden one for now and it seems to have fixed that problem. How I just need to get the scope base to stop comming loose.
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