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Offline brehenkel

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Stock building
« on: December 22, 2010, 05:38:14 AM »
I was wondering if any of you guys have ever tried building a laminated stock for your Handi's? If so was wondering what type of glue you have used? Thanks ahead of time.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 09:36:39 AM »
Laminated stocks are made of a product called either "Dymondwood" or "Actionwood". If I were going to laminate a stock myself I would use an epoxy material like "West System" any good boat repair place will carry it. I don't think I would trust any of the regular wood glues on the market, unless you used Weldwood's marine glue "Resorcinol" that is a two part glue a liquid and powder. The only problem with that is its purple in color, with dark wood might not be a problem light wood I think it will show.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 12:44:32 PM »
From a little bit of internet research I did, it appears most laminate material for the firearms industry is supplied by Rutland, it's also why everyone offers the same common colors in stocks!!  ;D The blog has some good info concerning how commercial lams are made also.

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2010/07/stocks-laminated-stocks.html

http://www.rutply.com/solutions/stratabond.html

http://www.rutply.com/products/dymondwood.html



Here's a stock maker that makes his own laminated stocks with some helpful details, good luck on your project and be sure to post up the details!  ;)

Tim

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/19134

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Re: Stock building
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 02:26:22 PM »
I've laminated my own stocks with 1/8", 3/16", 1/4"  boards (and combination thereof) and gorilla glue.

Also made two out of standard carpenter's glue.

So far, no problems. 


Just ensure you follow the gorilla glue directions, (or apply completely in the case of regular glue), and clamp the living heck out of it.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 05:20:37 PM »
I haven't built a laminated stock yet but I have built laminated
bent canoe paddles and I use the purple resorcinol glue
because it is purple and water proof. It highlights the individual boards.
 I thinks it looks great. reclusej
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 03:10:14 AM »
I just had to log in and say that the researched information provided by Tim above is one reason why this website is so great, and so full of useful information.  Tim is a great asset to this website and to all handi owners.  Thanks Tim!
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 03:52:10 AM »
I want to thank everyone for the input, such a great group of guys. Nice paddles as well. Will build a press this weekend out in the wood shop to get these things going. Would anyone by chance have a thumbhole ultra hunter stock that they could give me general dimensions of the stock so I know what size blanks to build?

Thanks again to everyone for the help and have a Merry Christmas!

Brian.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 05:50:08 AM »
Thanks Murphdog, always glad to help and learn at the same time!!!  ;D

Here ya go Brian!

Merry Christmas to all!

Tim
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 09:06:35 AM »
  I have made several butt stocks and many forends from 2 pieces of wood and use epoxy to bond them together.
 The reason I have made them from 2 pcs. is, Its easier than using one piece.  On a butt stock that requires a full length hole thru, I layout the general shape of the stock, layout the line I want the bolt hole on and mill it out with a router bit, do the same with the other side then glue and clamp them together.
  On a forend its much eaiser to get the barrel channel done half round with a router then put the to haves together.
  I have used wild black cherry, hard maple, and walnut and have never had one come appart, and for the most part you barely see the line between the two halves.      Jed
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2010, 11:42:21 AM »
Hey Jed, good job on the forends. Thanks for the information
on construction techniques on the stocks and forends. Great info
on future projects. Thanks again. reclusej
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 01:36:34 PM »
+++1 on the 'marine' epoxies.....these are one product that has not only met, but exceeded their advertising claims for me, and that doesnt happen very often.
BTW, Ive had two vintage mahogony runabouts years ago that I rebuilt parts of back to waterworthy. After that I didnt hesitate to use the epoxy on any other wood project.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2010, 02:08:46 AM »
Thanks Tim for the excellent pic. Also thanks everyone again for the inputs.

Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year.

Brian
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 12:48:32 AM »
Updated. Had a touch of the stomach flu last week so just got out in the shop to glue my blanks up. Here is a couple of pics of the walnut and maple lamination glued up in the press I made. The maple and walnut was re sawed on the band saw and planed down to 1/4". After doing some reading I just ended up using Tite-bond III for the glue. Will post pics of the glued up blanks tomorrow.

Brian.
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2011, 08:01:48 AM »
As a woodworker I can vouch for the effectiveness of Titebond glue for exterior applications.  If the surfaces to be glued up are smooth and if the components are clamped together well this stuff works.  The most important thing to remember when the stock is finished is to thouroughly seal the end grain.  Everyone spends time on the parts you can see but the end grain will wick moisture if it isn't sealed properly.  I purchased a new shotgun one year and hunted Turkety in the rain.   The stock took on all kinds of moisture.  No more since I sealed it with the following formula.  Three parts Boiled Linseed oil mixed with one part paint thinner will seal the end grain well, but you have to factor in lots of drying time and multiple coats.  If you are not in a hurry This will work well becuse it penetrates into the gain sealing all the pores.   My two cents based on pevious experience.   ;) 
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Re: Stock building
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 10:56:23 AM »
Good data on this thread.

Jedman,

Where did you get the barrel bands in your pics?


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