H&R WWII Poster

[Dinny]

Hello everyone,
  I found this great ol' poster yesterday while perusing the internet.  Enjoy!!

Thanks, Dinny

[Hit or Miss]

That's pretty cool!

[petemi]

Dinny, Happy New Year....order me one of each.....


Pete

[D Humbarger]

Two thumbs up on that one!    You did good.

[Dinny]

Dinny, Happy New Year....order me one of each.....
Pete

Pete,
  Do you want that order filled at today's prices or 1942's prices?  

I wish the prices were listed on there, what a difference almost 70 years makes.

Thanks, Dinny

[Datil]

 Neat Dinny Thanks for this and your service.

 Datil

[Darreld Walton]

I don't have the General, but I DO have two Leathernecks.  Neat rifle, VERY accurate.  Gave one to my son, and he doesn't seem to have the maintenance thing figured out, and these DO need to be clean, and lubed correctly.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program in recent years sold off several hundred of the Generals, with spare magazine, at auction, and they averaged about $1000.00, if memory serves me right.  They were purchased as training rifles in the '40's for the USMC recruits to familiarize them with the Garand sight picture, loading, unloading, etc., and the dimensions really do, other than weight, emulate the M1 service rifle.
It's a neat piece, and I keep it in the rack with my H&R M1 Garand......

[Dinny]

Neat Dinny Thanks for this and your service.
Datil

No problem, my friend. It is my honor!

I don't have the General, but I DO have two Leathernecks.  Neat rifle, VERY accurate.  Gave one to my son, and he doesn't seem to have the maintenance thing figured out, and these DO need to be clean, and lubed correctly.
The Civilian Marksmanship Program in recent years sold off several hundred of the Generals, with spare magazine, at auction, and they averaged about $1000.00, if memory serves me right.  They were purchased as training rifles in the '40's for the USMC recruits to familiarize them with the Garand sight picture, loading, unloading, etc., and the dimensions really do, other than weight, emulate the M1 service rifle.
It's a neat piece, and I keep it in the rack with my H&R M1 Garand......

Thanks for that bit of information. I had no idea H&R even produced such a rifle until I saw this poster.

Thanks, Dinny

[Darreld Walton]

The "General" is the H&R Model 65, front sight has the 'ears' that became prevalent with the M1 and follow-on US military arms, a 1/4 minute Redfield aperture rear sight, the ones that the Corps purchased are marked "Property USMC" and are Parkerized.  They're also known as the Reising Model 65.  The operation is a bit odd, the action is cycled by inserting your finger into the forearm and pushing the op-rod to the rear.  They use a 10 round magazine, and have an odd bolt hold open device on the right side of the receiver.
Mine does not have the stamped metal trigger guard, nor the winged front sight, having instead a ramped bead on a post.
The Reising .45 ACP sub-machine gun's operation is quite similar, but was never especially liked, and not nearly as reliable in the jungles as the Thompson or M3 "Grease Gun".
The Ordnance Corps also purchased a LOT of H&R Model 12 bolt action rifles that are very close to the Model 52 Winchester, except that they're single shot only, and the 52's can be either single shot or repeaters.  The Model 12's are also marked "US Property".
I also have a US Property marked Mossberg Model 44 that came from the CMP a couple years ago, and it is a shooter, as well, just doesn't have a very nice trigger, but once you get past that, if it doesn't hit what you're aiming at, you did something wrong.
I've also got a US Model 1922, that is a clip-fed rimfire adapted Model 1903 Springfield, and a more beautiful 'Big People' .22 you'd be hard pressed to find!
The US Military has used a LOT of commercial arms pressed into service as trainers.
Several years ago, 'they' remodeled the main chow hall at Hill AFB in Utah, where I was working till I retired.  When they pulled down the interior walls, almost every square inch of the original wall surfaces was covered with original War II "propaganda" posters, ala "Rosie the Riveter" and "Loose Lips Sink Ships" type stuff.  Those all came down and as far as I know, went to the Hill AFB Museum adjacent to Roy, Utah.
The history of the US Military training arms is immense, long, and colorful, and a guy can dump a BUNCH of time, effort, and money into collecting them!

[quickdtoo]

If you want an idea of how many different firearms H&R made up until their demise in 1986 when they went out of business, check the list at Numrich, and it doesn't count their military firearms like the M1Garand!

Tim

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Models.aspx?catid=229

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_%26_R_Firearms

[petemi]

My dad was an artilleryman in France in WWI.  He had an 03 Springfield he kept pristine.  When the war was over and they were mustered out, dad figured they'd have to turn their rifles in by serial number......Wrong, they marched them along and tossed them in a heap.  Dad could have picked up any number of them on the battlefield and turned it in, keeping his.  I wish I had that rifle today.  When I was a kid you could buy '03s out of Field and Stream for 25 ta 50 bucks.....I was too young and ignorant to do it.  Today, I can't afford the thousand bucks.

Pete

[AtlLaw]

My dad was an artilleryman in France in WWI.

Well how neat is that Pete!     My Uncle (father's brother) was an artilleryman in France in WWI also!     My father was in the Navy.  He got torpedoed off of France.

I had a picture of Uncle Clyde when he was in the horse drawn artillery in the South West with Black Jack Pershing's force chasing Poncho Villa.

'course Pete...    You realize that was almost a century ago... 

[petemi]

Richard, time flies when yer havin fun.  My sister has dad's company picture....you know, the big long ones, back from the war to end all wars.  I had his medals and awards when I was a kid, and have no clue as to whatever became of them.  He also had a collection of ammo, U.S., German, French, etc.  I don't know where that went to.  My mom passed away this last summer at 98, so I'll likely never find out.

Ya know, I swear dad said he served under Pershing in France.  I wonder if he chased Pancho with your uncle too.

Pete

[Flynmoose]

My uncle Emil was an artilleryman in France in WWI as well. He was in
the first class to graduate from Ft. Lewis Washington as far as we know.
He was almost deaf for the rest of his life, but fiercly proud to have s
served as a first generation American. His Father Michael was a cavalryman
in the German army before emigrating to the US.
FM

[AtlLaw]

My sister took all my folks stuff too.     I just let her avaricious self have it... but the stories I could tell!   

[petemi]

Flynmoose, that is interesting.  Emil was an artilleryman against the Germans, and his dad had been a cavalryman in the German army.  A heck of a change in one generation.  It IS a strange world we live in, and how our own values change.  

I've lost friends now in three wars, and some others in undeclared wars.  I would just like to see the insanity stop before I die.  I'm sure Dinny has a handle on how useless it is.  We're killing enemies and they're killing us.....the bottom line is we are all people.....it does not need to continue.  Words, respect, honor and love can replace bullets.

I'm not a religious fanatic.  I just try to treat people the way I would want to be dealt with.  A guy came to my door a few weeks ago and said he had run out of gas.  I went to the barn and got him 5 gallons of gas.  He was gone, gas can and all.  Never saw him again.  If someone else came along today in the same situation, would I do the same thing?  Yes.  I might walk out and get my gas can back.

Pete

[Flynmoose]

Hi Pete,
Yes it was a real about face. He got out of the army in 1887 and his father sent him
to the US. He sent for my Great Grandmother and they became proud Americans.
They insisted that their children speak English and not German. When confronted
by a coworker during the war as to why a German would be working on the railroad,
he replied that his oldest son (Emil) was in training to go fight. He also explained
that he was an AMERICAN! Too bad some of the people born here are not that proud!

[32 Magnum]

Here's a couple H&R WW2 era posters - maybe pre 1941.

[Dinny]

32 Magnum,
  Thanks for sharing those posters with us. I like 'em!

Thanks, Dinny

[petemi]

Hi Pete,
Yes it was a real about face. He got out of the army in 1887 and his father sent him
to the US. He sent for my Great Grandmother and they became proud Americans.
They insisted that their children speak English and not German. When confronted
by a coworker during the war as to why a German would be working on the railroad,
he replied that his oldest son (Emil) was in training to go fight. He also explained
that he was an AMERICAN! Too bad some of the people born here are not that proud!

I'm Italian-American; even lived in Italy for 3 years.  Growing up during WWII, my best friend was German-American.  We faced a lot of hatred and descrimination as kids.  The bottom line was, and is, we are Americans.  Our loyalty has always been to this country.  Both of us are proud to have served in our military.
Yes, I speak Italian, and Rudy speaks German  And he knows some Italian and I some German.  It was necessary to understand what our parents were trying to say over our heads as kids.

Pete

[Flynmoose]

Hi Pete,
I think my Great Grandparents were trying to assimilate and do what they thought
it took to be Americans. They did not ever look back, only to their future. On his
deathbed my Great Grandfather told me something I will never forget,"never march
for a king". I understand that the Kaiser was a little rough on his troops. Grandma
did teach me a few words of German, enough to let a young feller express himself
without repercussion, unless the teacher knew a little German!
FM