Author Topic: .25 WSSM (Read 4928 times)

rdb · « **on:** January 28, 2010, 03:48:06 PM »

Any one have an opinion? I'm thinking about getting an upper for my AR.

MZ5 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2010, 05:11:09 PM »

Brilliant! Wonderful round! I don't own any ARs any more, though I know of many who are starting to see the light of the WSSMs in an AR platform.

Thebear_78 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2010, 06:08:10 PM »

budy of mine used one to cull reindeer this year, killed 30 of them. Said it worked great out to 600 yards. He was using an AR15 with the 25 WSSM upper and 115gr winchester ammo. They surely look neat.

tangob5 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2010, 06:46:25 AM »

The .25 WSSM is destined to become an obsolete round. Manufacturers have already stopped making the rifles. The .25 WSSM's only advantage over the 25.06 is the short action, they are pretty much identical ballistically. Another failed cartridge is the .243 WSSM. My take on the WSSM's is the only WSSM that will survive will be the .300 WSSM although the .270 WSSM may surprise me.

Bill,SC · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2010, 07:03:52 AM »

Tangob5,

Who makes the 300 wssm? Or the 270 wssm?

rdb · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2010, 08:32:37 AM »

Thanks for the replies.

If its going to be obsolete, what would be a good choice for more performance in an AR-15 (not AR-10) platform. I'm looking for long range stuff.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2010, 08:40:01 AM »

Quote from: Bill,SC on January 29, 2010, 07:03:52 AM

Tangob5,

Who makes the 300 wssm? Or the 270 wssm?

I think he got confused with the .300 WSM and .270 WSM.

Varmintnut260 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2010, 01:25:42 PM »

The AR platform is keeping the WSSM alive. The 25WSSM is almost equal to the 25-06 from what I understand. The only difference would be cost and access to ammo. So its like carrying a 25-06 in a easily customized auto.

tangob5 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2010, 04:33:03 AM »

I put one to many "S'S" in the 300 and 270 Should be 300 WSM and 270 WSM. As far as the .243 and 25 WSSM's are concerned only Winchester still makes the ammo as far as I know. I do know the other major manufactureres do not make it any more.

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2010, 05:28:21 AM »

You forgot to mention the .223 WSSM.

If you will reload forget the .25 WSSM. I, along with many are having a lot of problems with blown necks. I have had brand new brass crack in the necks and shoulders after the first loading!!! I love the rifle and rounds performance, but it will get a little expensive reloading these rounds. At present Winchester is the only company that sell the brass for the .25 WSSM. And Winchester is aware of this problem and does not seem to care or fix it.

I have given serious thought to selling the rifle and moving on to something else.

nomosendero · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2010, 04:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Varmintnut260 on January 29, 2010, 01:25:42 PM

The AR platform is keeping the WSSM alive. The 25WSSM is almost equal to the 25-06 from what I understand. The only difference would be cost and access to ammo. So its like carrying a 25-06 in a easily customized auto.

If both rounds are loaded to equal pressures, the WSSM cannot match the 25-06.

Varmintnut260 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2010, 12:22:02 PM »

What I meant was the 25 wssm is fairly close in speed, the short is behind. I do believe it wont match a 25-06, it's just nice to be able to put it in a AR platform, especially in a 25 cal.

foxx1 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 26, 2010, 04:44:16 PM »

I just about bought a new win 70 in a 25wssm. it was reduce down to $349, it had a heavy barrel, it seems it was hard to find brass for it and the shop that has it had brass on order for 10 months,changed my mind on it. i just stick with a 25/06

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #13 on:** September 27, 2010, 02:55:03 AM »

run dont walk back there and buy that gun! thats a steal. Im not a big fan of the short mags but i am a big fan of .25 cal guns and would jump at a 25wssm at that price.

Quote from: foxx1 on September 26, 2010, 04:44:16 PM

I just about bought a new win 70 in a 25wssm. it was reduce down to $349, it had a heavy barrel, it seems it was hard to find brass for it and the shop that has it had brass on order for 10 months,changed my mind on it. i just stick with a 25/06

DannoBoone · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:10:42 AM »

Quote from: Lawful Larry on May 27, 2010, 05:28:21 AM

If you will reload forget the .25 WSSM. I, along with many are having a lot of problems with blown necks. I have had brand new brass crack in the necks and shoulders after the first loading!!! I love the rifle and rounds performance, but it will get a little expensive reloading these rounds. At present Winchester is the only company that sell the brass for the .25 WSSM. And Winchester is aware of this problem and does not seem to care or fix it.

The same has happened to me with Rem .25-06 brass. Apparently, the annealing process was lacking with that lot. Perhaps you're
having the same problem with the wssm Win brass. Annealing solved my problem and could solve yours or at least afford you more
reloadings.

If I were contempleting a .25 WSSM, the brass would get bought first......enough to last the life of the barrel. That's what I did with
a 7 WSM, as it was looking as though it would be dropped from production. 500 cases X 5 loadings each should = the life of the
barrel.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2010, 02:59:15 AM »

thats funny as ive ran into the same problem with my 2506 this year with a bunch of brass that was given to me.

Quote from: DannoBoone on October 02, 2010, 07:10:42 AM

Quote from: Lawful Larry on May 27, 2010, 05:28:21 AM

If you will reload forget the .25 WSSM. I, along with many are having a lot of problems with blown necks. I have had brand new brass crack in the necks and shoulders after the first loading!!! I love the rifle and rounds performance, but it will get a little expensive reloading these rounds. At present Winchester is the only company that sell the brass for the .25 WSSM. And Winchester is aware of this problem and does not seem to care or fix it.

The same has happened to me with Rem .25-06 brass. Apparently, the annealing process was lacking with that lot. Perhaps you're
having the same problem with the wssm Win brass. Annealing solved my problem and could solve yours or at least afford you more
reloadings.

If I were contempleting a .25 WSSM, the brass would get bought first......enough to last the life of the barrel. That's what I did with
a 7 WSM, as it was looking as though it would be dropped from production. 500 cases X 5 loadings each should = the life of the
barrel.

yogi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2010, 03:25:54 AM »

Quote from: Coyote Hunter on January 29, 2010, 08:40:01 AM

Quote from: Bill,SC on January 29, 2010, 07:03:52 AM
Tangob5,

Who makes the 300 wssm? Or the 270 wssm?

I think he got confused with the .300 WSM and .270 WSM.

Actually Olympic Arms is making a 30 ossm rifle. It is a super short 30 cal. for the ar platform. I forget now who is making the ammo but initial reports on the ballistics are impressive.

saltydog · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2010, 04:18:05 AM »

The 223 WSSM offer an improvement in velocity over the 220 Swift - while the 243 and 25 cal WSSM's are not ahead of the traditional 243 and 25:06 rounds fall short. The oly advantage was the short action - problems with the 25:o6 when using heavier weight bullets because of COAL issue and magazine of AR's and WSSM short action bolt action rifles.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2010, 05:04:35 AM »

I admit I don't see paying more for a 25 WSSM over a 2506. BUT a 2506 won't fit an AR 15 . If I were going AR-10 I would neck down a 308 . But the Idea of one in an AR sounds good. Come to think of it I wouldn't mind having one ( love my 2506) ( love my 6.8 AR also) . Let us know how it works out . I would make sure the bolt can handle the rim ok , if not neck the 6.8 size case down.

nomosendero · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2010, 10:52:00 AM »

I guess I will respond to this 11 month old thread, even though rdb may have done something by now.

First of all, he ruled out the AR10 frame, which rules out superior choices such as the DPMS 6.5 Creedmoor.

Now, when you look at the regular AR platform, there is an option that I would prefer to the declining in popularity
25WSSM. I would look at the Grendel case, specifically the 6mmAR or the (Ackley)Turbo varient for an experienced reloader. Since we know that the 25WSSM loses alot of steam when coupled with the heavier bullets, it does not enjoy the power advantage of the 25-06 vs the 243. The 243 has higher BC bullets, but the 25-06 can push 115-120 bullets fast enough to overcome this at the ranges that either round is practical.

However, with the 6mmAR being able to push the 105 Berger with a BC of .556 to 2750 & the Turbo can go 2850 & change, the WSSM has nothing in ballistics over this round for any target/varmit situation, in fact it would be a little behind & I would put them on equal footing for Deer/Hogs.

All of this with brass that is gaining in popularity instead of losing popularity, less powder & bang, better quality brass & accuracy potential, the ability to use 6.8 SPC or Grendel Mags, & very importantly less stress on the upper.

Here's the scoop on the 6mmAR & Turbo: http://6mmar.com/ & http://6mmar.com/6mmAR_Turbo_40_Improved.html

rdb · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2010, 03:50:17 PM »

That 6mmAr looks pretty cool. There are so many options. I'm still thinking about it.