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The only issue with my BC
« on: October 03, 2010, 01:58:01 PM »
After having shot it a lot and broken in the barrel, there's one issue with my .45-70 BC I was curious to see if others have.  It shoots very accurately, locks up tight and with a straight edge, I've tested the barrel and it's straight.  The wierd thing is, I have to adjust my rear sight clear to the left of it's adjustment range to where the WGRS aperture is past the scale and hanging slightly over the edge of the sight base.  As I said, luckily, there is enough adjustment to bring it on target, but doesn't that seem wierd?  Could the actual bore be created at a slight angle?  It hasn't mattered what load or bullet I try it's always way left.  Regardless, I am happy with it's performance, so probably won't mess with it.  I just was curious if others had this issue with theirs.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2010, 02:05:40 PM »
 also might be the base is crooked from mis-aligned tapped holes ??
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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2010, 02:07:06 PM »
Ah, good thought.  Don't know why I didn't consider that also.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2010, 02:20:52 PM »
hey man, i've got some purdy pittyful d&t jobs before... i jus moved up a hair and re-did the
d&t.... all is gud now !!! ;D
sea-ya.....
in tha meen time, i'm wait'n for tha  7th trumpet ta sound !!!

gotta big green tractor ana diesel truck, my idea of heaven's chasin whitetail bucks and asa country boy, you know i can survive............

hey boy, hit this mason jar one time...
burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2010, 02:22:35 PM »
Yep, my buddy is a gunsmith, so I'll just have him check and if those are the culprit, have him move them back 1/4" or so.  Thanks for the reply.  8)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2010, 07:05:26 PM »
Hey Tacklebury

My BC was the same.  Sight was way left to get on target with both the factory sights and the fool proof aperture I tried.  I wondered if the front dovetail was misaligned with the receiver.  I scoped it with a vxII Leupold and it is less weird now.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2010, 03:59:15 AM »
I think the odds are greater on getting a slightly mis-aligned D/T job from H&R than to get one that is correct.  For grins I mounted a scope on one Handi and had the cross hairs perfect.  Then moved the scope (only loosened the fasteners that hold the scope to the rail) to a few other handis and each time the cross hairs rotated, sometimes left, sometimes right.  Just like kids, the handis are all a little different.  ;)

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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 01:16:38 PM »
There is a calc for the distance between your sights for the correction you need at 100yd in the Brownells cat., and elsewhere. Figure what you need to get the rear centered in its range and check it against your factory drilled holes to get an idea hoew far it will need to go before you start drilling.
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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2010, 01:55:41 PM »
the way i check them is.... find TDC on each end, lazer between them from above the barrel.
adjustable beams are a must !!!!! i like a .003 beam cus i can just barely see it !!!! :D
place known straight base on until lazer crosses each hole inline.
punch, drill and tap......
been do'n it that way since they invented the laser level.
finding TDC is the critical part. do you know anyone that has optical alignment equipment ?
i think brownells and midway offer a guide to asist with this job. but i can't see a use for it cus my way works perfect.
i'm sure some of the guys here have a better way ::)
your gunsmith probably will do you an excellent job ;)
sea-ya.....
in tha meen time, i'm wait'n for tha  7th trumpet ta sound !!!

gotta big green tractor ana diesel truck, my idea of heaven's chasin whitetail bucks and asa country boy, you know i can survive............

hey boy, hit this mason jar one time...
burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2010, 02:15:31 PM »
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=21865/pid=8831/sku/Ramp_Mounted_Glow_Sight__41_MR__Orange___410__Ht
I would say you can lower the front sight and still kep the factory rear sight
The sight in the picture is green but the order stock number is bright orange
.410 should get you out there at the 100yd target and a little more

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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 03:33:35 PM »
Thanks for all the thoughts.  8)  I think I just had a duhh moment and didn't consider the holes being what's misaligned.  I kept thinking, maybe they bored it crooked.  lol  Height isn't really too much issue, and I really don't feel like bashing the front sight out.  With my reloads, I'm at the top of the scale on the WGRS, but dead center.  When I purchase my new rear sight (once I know what I want) I may tackle knocking the old one out up front.  I'm actually looking at a windage adjustable Winchester globe with a level indicator on it, so we'll see what happens.  For now, it's baning down the deer, so I'm still very happy with it.  Just felt some blonde roots tryin to take over me brain! ;)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 06:17:21 PM »
IMHO a bubble front is just going to be another 'distraction' unless you are shooting long range from a stable rest position. A windage adj. front is handy if you have an elevation adj. only rear or are in such awful crosswinds that you run out of windage on a windage adj. rear. Id go with spending the 'extra' the fancy front would cost on a better quality rear tang sight.
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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2010, 07:19:46 PM »
Hear ya Crank.  I was considering this too.  I've thus far looked at about 2500 different variations.  lol  I'm kinda holding out to see what the new ladder style Skinner is working on looks like.  I've also looked into the 30-40 Krag and Smith ladder sights.  I really don't like the ones I've picked up with the tang style.  Interfere's with my thumb too much.  I like the barrel style ladder as I have on the 1896 Winchester model 94 .32 special and 1903 Krag now.  I have also found a pretty inexpensive source for a springfield, although it's a little bulkier than I really wanted.  Who knows.  I think it'll be more of a winter project after hunting seasons are over to decide.  ;)  I still really like the Marble's Contour with the 1/16th gold bead for my hunting guns.  I am picking up a Skinner barrel mount peep to try on the little .45 colt, hopefully this month.
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 05:31:56 AM »
TB,

don't rule out the off-centered bore.  Friend bought a Handi that was off center by about .04". 

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Re: The only issue with my BC
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 05:45:02 AM »
I too like a small bead front for general use and the gold has been better than ivory unless in the dark woods for me. I think the SF '03 sight is way too big but if you make up a screw on/off base, no worries. The Krag is the one Im keeping my eye out for.
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