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Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« on: February 06, 2010, 10:43:26 AM »
They are considering this for a topic of discussion during the spring hearings. To allow the pistol calibers of .357, .41 and 44 in rifles for hunting in the shotgun zones. Seems reasonable to me. I have been considering a slug barrel but would prefer my Marlin 44.

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 10:45:45 AM »
I'd love to see the same thing on the west side of the Mississippi.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 12:56:02 PM »
Can you use muzzleloaders in shotgun zones in wisconsin cheese?

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 01:20:54 PM »
Yes, muzzle loaders are legal in shotgun zones, so are handguns.

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 05:03:44 AM »
They are considering this for a topic of discussion during the spring hearings. To allow the pistol calibers of .357, .41 and 44 in rifles for hunting in the shotgun zones.

Cheese
More than reasonable! As it stands handguns also mean, singleshot pistols, i.e. T/C encores, contenders, etc. chambered in a 22 centerfire or larger. A scoped contender in say, a 7X30 waters, will reach out a heck of a lot further, with more accuracy then any pistol chambered rifle.
So many times you see where there is a major overlap on firearms yet one type or cal. is considered legal for use while the other is not. This is a no brainer but then again that is what the DNR has problems with, simple solutions to simple proposals. Years ago when your shotgun served double duty, smooth bore, foster slugs, bead front site, unless you had a Ithaca derrslayer, (rifle sights), and argument could be made. Now with muzzle loaders shooting rifle like trajectories, with kinetic energy to match,and legal to hunt with, a lever action 357/44 might seem to be a disadvantage. Thanks again to the Consevation congress to get this ball rolling, I like hunting with a disadvantage. CRASH87

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 05:12:34 AM »
Why not repeal the idiotic rifle ban in the areas affected? It is totally not necessary and according to a Pa. study rifle bans accomplish nothing, and may even be detrimental to safety.

From an article I recently read:The following is not my text, it is from an article I read

In case anyone is interested in reading the Pennsylvania study:

http://6fbd21e64bc817fd097aa54148bd3dab37bc10ee.gripelements.com/documents/AFWA_Presentation_9-18-07.pdf

I am a WDNR (Wisconsin) Hunter Safety Instructor, so we have to point to this scientific study often
when this topic arises.  As a hunter, hunting in the shotgun only portion of Shawano County,
I am here to tell you that I have seen this "study" in practice.  A number of years ago the
local farm gang was driving and deer ran across the plowed field between our cabin, and
the hunters.  At about 500 yards from the cabin, the farm boys opened up, with Fosters slugs, and
smooth bore shotguns.  My father standing outside the cabin, watching the circus, was diving under his
truck, as the reflected slugs were piling into the hard maple trees around our cabin.  When confronted,
the farm boys had to be shown the fresh slug holes in the hard maples before they would believe
that 12 slugs could travel that far after hitting dirt in the plowed field.  A rifle bullet would have
destabilized, and lost energy much faster.  So safety wise, there is NO proof that shotguns are
safer, and if you read this study, you could come to the conclusion that in the majority of hunting
scenarios, the shotgun is more dangerous. 

Now limiting the EFFECTIVE range of deer hunting weapons is a different issue.

A fully rifled shotgun, shooting an all copper sabot slug has the effective range
of the old standard 30-30 Win. deer rifle, as does the modern magnum black powder rifle.  And not
to mention that the WI handgun rules open this effective range more.  I have a 308 Win. chambered
bolt action pistol, with a 2-7x scope on it, and it is legal in WI "shotgun only" zones.  So just strap
a butt stock on the thing, and it will look more like my 308 BAR.  One is legal below HWY 29, and
one is not.  This shows how stupid these laws have become.

So if the goal is to limit effective range, then to be honest about it, limitations to shotguns,
and muzzleloaders, need to be added.  Only smooth bore shotguns, and non-magnum muzzleloaders,
ought to be in the rules. 

Back on the topic of firearms restrictions, I am for the simplest rule.  You choose.  In firearms season, have
a minimum handgun, shotgun, and rifle restriction, and let the hunter choose which works best for them.  It
sure would simplify enforcement, too.

Don't get me started on limiting firearms ranges, for management purposes...The justifications remind me of
a pile of deer droppings.  There are many in a pile, and they are only good for fertilizer.

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 05:23:22 AM »
They are considering this for a topic of discussion during the spring hearings. To allow the pistol calibers of .357, .41 and 44 in rifles for hunting in the shotgun zones. Seems reasonable to me. I have been considering a slug barrel but would prefer my Marlin 44.

Cheese

Sounds like a great reason to buy a SS Marlin in .357 or .44...
Mike

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 11:44:27 AM »
Everybody makes a good point here. I would still like to take my 44 lever in shotgun country since I do not have a slug gun. I have a "Magnum" muzzle loader and an Encore pistol in 6.5x55, and would still choose the 44 lever, most of the time. I see other states moving towards the pistol caliber rifles and now WI is doing the same. WI-DNR is not capable of an original thought, and make laws regardless of this fact.

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 07:23:09 AM »
I'm still waitin' for Wisconsin to follow some of the other states lead and allow handguns using straight walled pistol cartridges to be used during the muzzle loader season.
"where'd you get the gun....son?"

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Re: Wisconsin Conservation Congress Proposal
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 07:32:34 AM »
Mississippi went to a "primitive" season now instead of muzzleloader, it includes single shot cartridge rifles along with muzzleloaders ???
More proof that we have enough laws and the lawmakers are just bored so they have to keep changing the laws so it looks like they are accomplishing something, time for them to join the ranks of the unemployed.