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Offline jgore31

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357 MAG - Misfires/Trigger - Not in FAQ
« on: December 29, 2009, 07:43:59 PM »
After having read the FAQ and re-read several times the instructions found at www.perkloafm.com
I have successfully dissassembled my gun several times to clean and polish the parts to smooth the action and get this bad boy to work.
Anyhow, I have made NO attempt to lighten my trigger. I have attempted to clean the internals and lube everything. Removed firing pin and found a slight deformation on the face where the hammer hits.. I removed this with 1000 grit sand paper and polishes with a dremel buffer..

Lifter striker(transfer bar) was hitting on the side of the frams that had a small flash left from the manufacture.. removed and polished.. re-installed and fully functional.

Polished all trigger assembly parts and re-installed..GUN FUNCTIONS!

Still does NOT FIRE..I cock and pull trigger holding the hammer while trigger pulled all the way back and it then fires. There NOW seems to be creep after the trigger has been pulles..Please explain this PLEASE!












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Re: 357 MAG - Misfires/Trigger - Not in FAQ
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 07:59:02 PM »
BTW, I have read the FAQ here and have read the owners manual and several other references to the Handi.. Still no help, and no local gunsmith..Sorry for the double post. The site wouldn't allow me to write more in one message..

As for the additional slop. It is after the trigger is pulled in full, and now has a slight forward slop when releasing the trigger before the firing pin retracts back into the gun.

ALSO, I made no attempt to hone or polish or grind the actual blades or contact surfaces of the trigger and hammer..It is still harer to pull than I want, but I need functionality over comfort for now.

I's hate to have to wait 6-8 weeks for a factory repair. Season will be over and im just getting started..
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
James

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Re: 357 MAG - Misfires/Trigger - Not in FAQ
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 08:36:46 PM »
Did it fire before you worked on it? Is there a decent pin strike in the primer?

Some things to check....

Remove the barrel, cock the hammer, while holding the hammer, pull the trigger and hold it all the way to the rear while lowering the hammer, don't release the trigger, measure the amount of firing pin projection, it should be .040"-.050", that's if the transfer bar is working correctly, it may be defective. The other issue would be a chamber that's cut too deep, a round placed in the chamber should be flush with the chamber face, if it's recessed very much, it will cause FTF.

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Re: 357 MAG - Misfires/Trigger - Not in FAQ
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 02:11:02 AM »
As always, Tim's advice is rock solid and spot-on!! ;D

A month or so back I revamped my 32-20 Trotter special, with new wood, and a dedicated receiver. Well that receiver had an horrendous trigger. Easy fix, rite?
 I took it apart and smoothed all contact points and checked the hammer and sear engagement. Was a bit much so a couple passes on a stone fixed that easily. Then a couple dozen more on a very hard stone to bring it to a brite smooth finish. Re-assemble and I was rewarded with a beautifully lite and crisp 3# trigger....that would NOT FIRE!!! Seems the way the fire control works is that the trigger MUST be pulled to the complete rear of the trigger guard to make it fire.
  Here is a basic explanation of what happens: As you pull the hammer back, it "lifts" and holds the transfer bar almost all the way "up" in to fire position as the sear catches the notch on the hammer. Then as the trigger is pulled there is a "finger" attached to the trigger that finished the lift of the transfer bar and holds it up so the released hammer hits it, then that hits the firing pin, firing the gun. So its possible to have the trigger release the hammer, BEFORE the "finger" can get to the transfer bar. When this happens, the transfer bar drops before the hammer hits it and the hammer falls to the frame with out toughing the transfer bar or firing pin.
 For my "fix" a new hammer, trigger and "finger" (I can't remember the actual name) from Brownells. One other thing about "stoning " handi parts. GO SLOW and DO NOT REMOVE MATERIAL. Simply POLISH the surface. The parts are only surface hardened, and cutting thru it will make for an ever changing trigger. I have had marginal success with heating the parts cherry and dunking in old stirred up motor oil.

Just a quick note, too much oil is a bad thing as well. Very little lube is needed on the internal parts. A good dry lube is best if you feel you need anything at all. Oil attracts dirt and dust, in turn turns sour and varnishes the parts, gumming up the works.

Post up what you find and maybe we can help save you the factory "repair" time.

Good luck,
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Re: 357 MAG - Misfires/Trigger - Not in FAQ
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 02:23:22 AM »
maybe try a new hammer spring