Author Topic: Recoil Question (Read 1919 times)

cwlongshot · « **Reply #30 on:** December 05, 2009, 10:34:25 AM »

I herd someone on here say something like, "recoil is in the shoulder of the beholder" I liked that and its 100% TRUE!!

What I will say is that the older H&R's where fairly lite and had lots of drop in there stocks, this translates into muzzle jump and more perceived recoil. Now a days the stocks are much better but the weight is still very light. So many feel its a kicker.

As mentioned, Limb saver or Kick Eez pads make a HUGE difference between a good day at the range and a sore shoulder for the rest of the week!

Now just so you see where I am coming from. I have a couple big kickers and find the Bell & Carlson stock on my 375 H&H comfortable to shoot standing and up-rite at the bench. My Browning and Marlin 45-70s pushing there 400 grain slugs @ almost 2000fps also not a problem. ALL have Sims pads mounted. But the 45-70 handi with those same loads is a bit... well uncomfortable.

If your worried about the recoil go for one of these pads. Recoil is subjective, the guns weight and stock designs make the largest difference in how much that gun will recoil.

CW

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #31 on:** December 05, 2009, 11:12:02 AM »

This talk of 12ga Trackers and recoil is starting to make me nervous. I had a Tracker II barrel fitted to my synthetic 30-30, and could not believe how light it felt compared to a rifle barrel on the same action. It was like holding a rimfire carbine. I'm tempted to try it out with a 1oz target load but I'm not sure how bad the shot cup will foul the rifling.

Swampman · « **Reply #32 on:** December 05, 2009, 11:18:57 AM »

I shoot a lot in a T-shirt and it can smart some. I finally bought a pad for summer shooting sessions.

Squib · « **Reply #33 on:** December 05, 2009, 11:44:32 AM »

I am a sissy catching up on rifles in general (uncle sam taught me about m-16's and such which have no recoil, just a bit of a vibration) and do not shoot well if I have to deal with heavy recoil... I am about as experienced with bolt/breech/lever actions as... a child born to liberals in california (okay maybe that's an exaggeration) but the point is that I'm a rifle wimp and I can handle the handi in 45-70- it really is a straight push like cw said, and it doesn't feel good factory stock and all but I can do it, and I'm a noob. don't think about the recoil, think about the front sight tip and trigger pull

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:28:51 PM »

I pushed a 550 gr load out of my BC at 1900 fps once, just once. Pulled the rest of those loads. ThY being said that was the only load I've ever fired out of it that topped the recoil on my Tracker II with 1 ounce Buckhammers. Even 410 gr loads at 1800 fps is mild.

Squib · « **Reply #35 on:** December 05, 2009, 06:34:28 PM »

what did you do to your rifle weight-wise prior to trying the 550? second how nasty was it? bump you back or just really, really hurt?

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 06, 2009, 05:45:27 AM »

I added 19 ounces of lead shot to the bolt hole and had on a limbsaver lace on recoil pad. The kick was bad enough it made my head hurt and my shoulder was sore and bruised.

Squib · « **Reply #37 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:28:37 AM »

sounds like you got a slight concussion... wow I've never seen or heard of that happening to a guy (i've seen videos of really mean guys giving their g/fs big guns with no warning though, like desert eagles and s&w 500's, then laughing afterwards)

is yours on youtube?

mechanic · « **Reply #38 on:** December 06, 2009, 01:09:37 PM »

It might be time to resurrect the Ty Kempster video.

Squib · « **Reply #39 on:** December 06, 2009, 02:44:50 PM »

Ty Kempster? a member here busting himself up?

I've got buddies that have told me stories about blowing up receivers and a scarred eyebrow... never seen a gun blow up though.

speaking of recoil suppression, I'm gonna go weight my rifle.. see how much weight I added to it with the #9 shot in the stock plus a limbsaver slip on backing up the factory pad (which still gets stamped nef apparently): three pounds according to my scale. that explains why it handles funny! by the way it works. I'll see tomorrow if it's enough for some mid level loads- 60grs Varget pushing Sierra #8900.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #40 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:02:05 PM »

Mine is a wood stocked, regular Handi. All I did to it was take off the stock recoil pad and put a slip-on LimbSaver, and no complaints at all. I really gotta buy stock in that company.

DP

Swampman · « **Reply #41 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:17:43 PM »

Adding weight makes the Handi un-Handi.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:42:38 PM »

Taking my BC up to ten pounds is not an issue for me; it still seems pretty light to me, but then I'm a 250 pound former college linebacker, others may see it differently.

I doubt I had a concussion, I've had one before and it was no where near that bad. If had some need for the serious UMPH of that load I might have kept working on it, but it was really just to see if I coud stretch the range on the regular 1500-1600 range for that bullet. At the ussual velocity it will pretty much drop anything in North America at 100 yards, except an M1 Abrams. I figure if a T. Rex ever charges me, I'll just let him get to 100 yards before I let fly.....

Squib · « **Reply #43 on:** December 06, 2009, 03:52:05 PM »

no buddy a t-rex is supposed to be 20ft tall or so... just aim at the nose everytime and the bullets will walk up from upper chest to throat to chin.. assuming you get the job done quick enough. I'm 200lbs and it's doable but awkward as heck, plus the limbsaver drags on me as I present the stock to my shoulder.. length of pull for a big guy is better. I've heard that using a bigger forend doesn't help much and can cause pop-opens so I didn't try that- that's about it though.

and the t-rex's that still live are in the north pole super-igloo with santa (check it out man)

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:05:35 PM »

I think some people here have fitted Mannlicher style fore arms to their rifles, check the "Let's see some handi's" thread.

Squib · « **Reply #45 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:49:34 PM »

I've seen some pictures of it (one or two I think) but I don't know how it works out with heavy recoil because in other threads I've read that a heavy forend will affect barrel harmonics AND cause the breech to pop open after firing heavy loads! sounds scary enough to me

truth be told, 300grainers at about 2,000 is probably all I can handle and still hold a group. I'm gonna have to cut velocity a lot when I work up heavier bullet loads-- like your load that bumped you, I ain't that big and don't want to try to be! so if I don't push it like you did I might be okay with a heavy forend... I'll worry about holding a group tight first and if the lack of control from recoil makes a new forend necessary.... then I either get a better contoured accurate rifle or a pretty popping-open one....

mechanic · « **Reply #46 on:** December 06, 2009, 05:46:39 PM »

Ty is a young fellow who delights in shooting possums and such with a 45-120. He makes it look easy in his video, but a stiff old man like me would probably break, not bend with the same shot.

Squib · « **Reply #47 on:** December 06, 2009, 06:00:28 PM »

I can't wait to get old and brittle... I've got youthful strength, I can even keep my pace up if I need to... but my joints are about shot already at 25. I'm afraid that if I only do what doesn't hurt I'll atrophy and lose the performance too. I try to enjoy life now before I end up in a scooter with a "help I've fallen and I can't get up" thingy... probably at forty with the pace I'm going...

how much worse is 45-120 than 45-70, pain-wise?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #48 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:16:23 PM »

A LOT worse than any 45-70 load at the levels Tyler is loading the 45-120, they're comparable to the 458 Lott!

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,146019.msg1098612473.html#msg1098612473

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,151146.msg1098635843.html#msg1098635843

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,148995.msg1098618734.html#msg1098618734

Swampman · « **Reply #49 on:** December 06, 2009, 11:45:38 PM »

Skinny guys take the recoil a lot better than fat guys. Knowing how to shoot from a bench makes a huge difference. You need to sit up on the heavy kickers. Being hunched over into the rifle will really beat you up.

Squib · « **Reply #50 on:** December 07, 2009, 02:22:21 AM »

I check out those videos, and the data given for the loads and safety limits... scary. That guy has got a strong set of shoulders, should have been a pitcher with those rotator cuffs.... wasted talent I suppose. I don't think I wouldn't get dizzy from doing that, so maybe his neck is reinforced too?

tykempster · « **Reply #51 on:** December 07, 2009, 03:43:34 AM »

I do pitch!

I'm but a young lad, a senior in highschool this year.

Squib · « **Reply #52 on:** December 07, 2009, 04:01:10 AM »

seriously... I thought you were just really skinny. maybe you should just put a bit of your shooting budget and time into weights for a bit.... your joints have got to be reinforced by extra connective tissue or bursa. that would allow you to lift a lot without wearing out your joints. then you can get linebacker big and just shoot mortars on your shoulders and skip that rifle stuff you do now. I've always wondered how powerlifters don't get hurneas, shot put throwers don't dislocate shoulders.... I think you got the gift. go develope that stuff. go try some nasty hard squats and if your guts don't pop out then you know you got it.

I'll be your trainer and shooting coach

(10% of your power-lifting/shooting competition prize money, plus I get to play with the guns)