Lincoln best President by experts

[ironfoot]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29211562/

[SouthernByGrace]

You have tried this already, ironfoot. It didn't work before and it ain't gonna work this time, either.
Most everybody on this forum knows who these "experts" are and we also know none of them ever learned how to read. If they had learned how to read, they'd know what we know.   

SBG

[subdjoe]

At reenactments I'll ask people "What do you think of a president who ignores the Constitution, suspends haebus corpus, has people arrested without warrant, held without trial, held without knowing the charge, held for indefinite periods, interceps mail and telegraphs, arrests editors for printing opposing views (and on with things Lincoln did)?"  And almost invariably I get answers like "Oh, I don't (didn't) liek Bush at all."  To which my answer is "Bush?  Who is Bush?  Your own president, Lincoln, is doing all that."

[SouthernByGrace]

LOL 

I know just what you mean, Joe...

SBG

[Ga.windbreak]

ironfoot, you can fool some of the people ALL of the time and ALL of the people SOME of the time; but you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time!!

[Rustyinfla]

  I went to a reinactment once in Brooksville, Fl. they call it the Brooksville Raid. The area where the engagement is done is down in a low area and the land on two side makes an almost natural theater. While sitting in the back one year there was a fellow walking around shaking hands and greeting people who looked almost exactly like Lincoln. He was walking around with a trooper who was holding a Henry repeating rifle at port arms and acting as a body guard. When he got tot he area where I was there were a lot of Southern folks there to meet him. A lot of booing and hissing went on till someone called out "anybody got a derringer I can borrow?" That was when he decided there must be a friendlier par of this crowd and he took off.

[subdjoe]

I ask the guys playing "Honest" Abe "What are you going to do with Vallandingham?"  Most just clam up and walk away.  I had one ask me "do you mean what WILL I do with him?  Or what do I WANT to do with him?"  Best answer I ever got. 

[littlecanoe]

If Lincoln was/is the best president, this conclusion must be reached by considering all of his actions, our present leader, President Obama, has to be the second best president as his respect for national sovereignty and constitutional order bears great resemblance to that of the Great Emancipator.

But then, I'm just clinging to a gun with my left hand and my Bible with my right..........................

[Gary G]

Well them those 65 historians are getting what they deserve. A huge government controlling their lives that they pay for dearly.

Lincoln was the Father of Big Government!
Liberty and property rights be damned.

[Gary G]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo174.html

[BUFFALOW red]

the more i study on this the more i belive the stats had the right to succed witch makes linconln a war criminal

[ironglow]

  I'm not going to get in on the Lincoln debates, but this group of "experts" were probably rounded up at the nearest ACORN flop house!
  The whole thing is worthless for the following , immediately clear reasons:

 1. It was produced by PMS NBC..

 2) Clinton is rated #15..Does any rational person believe that?

 3) Bush is rated #41..dead last.

    It is obvious, whoever these "experts" are they are still carrying a terrible grudge. To rate Bush below such as Millard Fillmore, US Grant, Bill Clinton, Woodrow Wilson and last but certainly not least "Jimmie" Carter...they MUST have their collective heads placed well inside their posteriors.

    Think: How does one get the title of "expert"?  They get it because somebody or some group calls them that, and the person or group can be legitimate or they can be a gaggle of escapees from a looney bin!

  BTW: Because it was so obviously bogus, I didn't read it all..but where DID they rate "Jimmie"?

[Ga.windbreak]

ironglow after reading your post and reminding myself that I too had yet to read the list which BTW was not posted in the ironfoot post I went back and read the whole list.

Lincoln first and James Buchanan dead last and, my lord, Carter is in the middle. The thing I find most laughable is that A. Johnson and Buchanan (the Presidents right before and after) are 41 and 42. Buchanan because he wouldn't try to hold the South by force and Johnson because he wanted to not treat the South as a stepchild. 

To think that Washington is second is sicking to me, but for his sense of honor and what is right we would have a King and not a President. No one should be before Washington least of all Lincoln. And J. Carter should be dead last imho.

For the complete list:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29216774/ns/politics-white_house/

[ironglow]

That list is very bogus;
  Fopr instance Woodrow Wilson, the guy who introduced Fabian Socialism to our government..the one whom FDR and Obama are the natural successors to is rated above R Reagan. Don't forget, Wilson's wife ran the office for some time after Woodrow "lost it'.
  Then comes LBJ..part of the "gang that couldn't shoot straight". He took a conflict that was generally progressing and through his political meddling, screwed up the whole thing. Johnson however (according to this dizzy list), rates above the man (R.R.) who brought down the iron curtain, virtually ending the cold war and freeing millions from a Communist yoke.
      Does JFK really deserve to be #6? What was his great accomplishment that places him there? He did have a confrontation with the Soviets on the high seas, but what else could he have done? Other than Jimmie Carter, probably any of the presidents of that era would have done the same, being forced into it as he was. I very much doubt however, that many of them would have transported troops to and promised support for ..the "Bay of Pigs" operation ...and then run out and left the trusting troops on the beachhead to get slaughtered. Does he really rate a #6?
  Frankly, he was not in office long enough to prove himself.  
  
     Obviously, the list is as mixed up as the college professors who participated in it!

[KB21]

For comparison, let's look at Chuck Baldwin's list of the greatest US presidents:

1) George Washington: America's greatest President, without whom this republic would not exist. His "Farewell Address" is the greatest political speech ever delivered on American soil and should be regarded as "must-reading" for every American citizen.
2) Thomas Jefferson: America's greatest defender of individual liberty and states' rights.
3) James Monroe: for his leadership in establishing America's strategically important "Monroe Doctrine."
4) Andrew Jackson: for standing up against the bankers.
5) John Tyler: for defying his own party (Whigs) and twice vetoing the incorporation of the US Bank. And also for supporting the Southern cause for secession.
6) Grover Cleveland: for his honesty and devotion to the US Constitution.
7) Calvin Coolidge: for his dogged determination to limit taxes and federal spending.

I can't argue with that list.  George Washington was truly a great leader, and he forsaw what would eventually happen to the federal government.  Here is his farewell address:


http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/farewell/text.html

[ironglow]

  I don't agree entirely with Baldwin's list, but it is far ahead of the bogus one by PMS NBC.