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This Is Going To End Badly...RP
« on: November 02, 2009, 02:06:23 AM »
RP...plain talk about the course we are on.  BTW, I see Debra _____  (I forget her last name), a RP staffer, has a very high approval rating in Texas and may be able to upset the Perry-Bush apple cart next election......fyi...TM7


http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1116/opinions-great-depression-economy-on-my-mind.html

On My Mind
Be Prepared for the Worst
Ron Paul, 10.29.09, 09:20 AM EDT
Forbes Magazine dated November 16, 2009
The large-scale government intervention in the economy is going to end badly.
 



Any number of pundits claim that we have now passed the worst of the recession. Green shoots of recovery are supposedly popping up all around the country, and the economy is expected to resume growing soon at an annual rate of 3% to 4%. Many of these are the same people who insisted that the economy would continue growing last year, even while it was clear that we were already in the beginning stages of a recession.

A false recovery is under way. I am reminded of the outlook in 1930, when the experts were certain that the worst of the Depression was over and that recovery was just around the corner. The economy and stock market seemed to be recovering, and there was optimism that the recession, like many of those before it, would be over in a year or less. Instead, the interventionist policies of Hoover and Roosevelt caused the Depression to worsen, and the Dow Jones industrial average did not recover to 1929 levels until 1954. I fear that our stimulus and bailout programs have already done too much to prevent the economy from recovering in a natural manner and will result in yet another asset bubble.


Anytime the central bank intervenes to pump trillions of dollars into the financial system, a bubble is created that must eventually deflate. We have seen the results of Alan Greenspan's excessively low interest rates: the housing bubble, the explosion of subprime loans and the subsequent collapse of the bubble, which took down numerous financial institutions. Rather than allow the market to correct itself and clear away the worst excesses of the boom period, the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury colluded to put taxpayers on the hook for trillions of dollars. Those banks and financial institutions that took on the largest risks and performed worst were rewarded with billions in taxpayer dollars, allowing them to survive and compete with their better-managed peers.

This is nothing less than the creation of another bubble. By attempting to cushion the economy from the worst shocks of the housing bubble's collapse, the Federal Reserve has ensured that the ultimate correction of its flawed economic policies will be more severe than it otherwise would have been. Even with the massive interventions, unemployment is near 10% and likely to increase, foreigners are cutting back on purchases of Treasury debt and the Federal Reserve's balance sheet remains bloated at an unprecedented $2 trillion. Can anyone realistically argue that a few small upticks in a handful of economic indicators are a sign that the recession is over?

What is more likely happening is a repeat of the Great Depression. We might have up to a year or so of an economy growing just slightly above stagnation, followed by a drop in growth worse than anything we have seen in the past two years. As the housing market fails to return to any sense of normalcy, commercial real estate begins to collapse and manufacturers produce goods that cannot be purchased by debt-strapped consumers, the economy will falter. That will go on until we come to our senses and end this wasteful government spending.

Government intervention cannot lead to economic growth. Where does the money come from for Tarp (Treasury's program to buy bad bank paper), the stimulus handouts and the cash for clunkers? It can come only from taxpayers, from sales of Treasury debt or through the printing of new money. Paying for these programs out of tax revenues is pure redistribution; it takes money out of one person's pocket and gives it to someone else without creating any new wealth. Besides, tax revenues have fallen drastically as unemployment has risen, yet government spending continues to increase. As for Treasury debt, the Chinese and other foreign investors are more and more reluctant to buy it, denominated as it is in depreciating dollars.


The only remaining option is to have the Fed create new money out of thin air. This is inflation. Higher prices lead to a devalued dollar and a lower standard of living for Americans. The Fed has already overseen a 95% loss in the dollar's purchasing power since 1913. If we do not stop this profligate spending soon, we risk hyperinflation and seeing a 95% devaluation every year.
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Re: This Is Going To End Badly...RP
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 02:22:19 AM »
Well I would certainly not argue with anything said there. I am still wandering how long it will be before the cash for clunkers group starts missing payments on new cars they couldn't afford in the first place. A few days ago GM said they are going to need a THIRD BAILOUT. How long will it be before Americans rebel against the Union controlled White House, and car manufacturers?
Bush bailed'em out the first time, then Obama, and now they need more. Thank you Republicans, and Democrats. I for one will never buy another GM product and I have heard the same from family and friends. They have long since grown tired of Union Dictates, and the governmental favoritism toward them.
Also this $8,000.00 tax incentive to first time home buyers. My gosh, is that not a repeat of financing home buyers that can't afford to buy homes? Where were these guys when I bought my homes?
I keep hearing it's getting better but, I keep not seeing it.
If Ron Paul is ONCE AGAIN RIGHT, this time, he should reconsider running for president, and just busy himself as the AMERICAN PROPHET. He nailed it the first time, and all the so called "front running candidates" made fun of him. Now when Fox wants an EXPERT OPINION, they call on the also ran SCOFFERS, instead of the man himself. Makes sense doesn't it?
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Re: This Is Going To End Badly...RP
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 02:48:09 AM »
What's scary to me is the sheep that believe everything that our pathetic administration says.If you say anything against Obama your a hater.He is making the same mistakes they did in the 30s,purposely to further his nwo agenda.For that people call me a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist.I do believe it will end badly,Ron Paul has been right,and he is ridiculed.Makes me sick.

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 03:39:57 AM »
The union bashing is getting old.  There are (at least) two fundamental truths about manufacturing cars:

1.  (Union) Labor's job is to build cars.  They are doing their job.

2.  Management's job is to earn a profit on labor.   They did not, and are not doing their job.  Fire them with NO bonus, and NO severence pay.

And for all of you who pride themselves on buying a new Toyota with (my) cash for clunkers,  I hope you delight on the people who made your car earning substantially less than the people who make REAL American cars.   
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 04:05:41 AM »
Would that include any of the "real American" car builders who have invested in overseas plants?  Check the contents of almost any "American" car and see how it compares to Toyota.

I don't mean to be overly critical of American builders, but it is not true that just because it's a Cadillac, or a Lincoln etc. that it is all American.  The parts are made all over the place and they might even be assembled in Canada, or Mexico.  I have to wonder where the American auto companies would be today if they had kept their investments domestic.  But I have heard that Gen. Motors does a pretty good business in China.

It's also true that a lot of Americans are working for non-American named manufacturers and are building vehicles right here in the USA.  While I would like to buy American made by a company that at least sounds like it is American, I will not pass on what I think is a better product, just because it isn't a GM, Ford, or Chrysler.  If the "American" companies want my business, it's a simple matter of building the best and backing it up.
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Re: This Is Going To End Badly...RP
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 04:11:18 AM »
All good points magooch.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 05:05:33 AM »
TM7, nothing you stated can be denied. It is all true, and suspiciously smells.
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Re: This Is Going To End Badly...RP
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 05:06:41 AM »
Smoke and mirrors can only hold off the inevitable. Realistic predictions are that it will take at least 10 years for the economy to rebound.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 05:07:23 AM »
At least.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 08:52:09 AM »
A good friend of mine, just retired in the last month,worked 30 years at one of the Honda plants here in Ohio. Non-union. And I will guarantee you, he made more money than most, and the vehicles they manufactured, were as good or better than GM,Ford,Chyrsler.
The only thing I will blame the unions for, is backing a socialist/communist for president.He is by design, destroying this country. And this will end up badly.  gypsyman
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 01:22:38 PM »
yep it will crash big time in the spring after Q4 reports come in I'm laying up gold ,silver, food , and ammo. would advise you to do same but i did that last year when the metals were a lot cheaper but in spring the price of them today will seem like a great buy.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 02:33:54 PM »
yep it will crash big time in the spring after Q4 reports come in I'm laying up gold ,silver, food , and ammo. would advise you to do same but i did that last year when the metals were a lot cheaper but in spring the price of them today will seem like a great buy.

Stock food.  It will be the most valuable commodity of all.  During the depression, many still lived on farms and could at least grow it.  Now few people, even rural ones, are prepared to farm.......game animals will disappear very quickly......food and ammo will be worth more than gold IMO., but then gold and silver may be the only viable currency for a while...who knows?  I have a bit put back myself.
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