Author Topic: Recoil reduction for the Synthetic NEF Handi Rifle ? (Read 2191 times)

SD Handgunner · « **on:** February 05, 2004, 06:18:25 AM »

I am awaiting the arrival of a new .270 Winchester Barrel for my Stainless-Synthetic NEF Handi Rifle. Due to health problems I would like to reduce the recoil that this Rifle / Cartridge is going to produce. I plan on tayloring my handloads down a little in an effort to lessen recoil, but have also been wondering about any of the various In Stock Recoil Reducers (such as the Mercury Recoil Reducers).

Has anyone had any experience with the Mercury Recoil Reducers ? Do they work or are they a gimick ?

Thanks

Larry

PS I really do not want to screw a $100.00 VIAS QUIET Muzzle Brake on a $120.00 Rifle Barrel, but that may well be what I end up doing.

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2004, 06:56:59 AM »

Larry I`m sure you are on the right track with the recoil pad idea. Technology should have advanced enough to allow that.
I would also think that keeping hand loads moderate and staying with the 130 Gr bullet will contribute much as well. It was the 130 Gr. that gave the 270 the reputation it enjoys to this day(thanks Jack OConner).Best of luck. POW

handirifle · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2004, 09:58:31 AM »

AD
There are several ways to drop the recoil. One you mentioned with the loads, next check out Simms Vibration Labs, I don't know the web site, they have a recoil pad that should really help.

Also, as a last resort, you can add weight to the hole in the buttstock. Not nice to carry around though. You might consider stepping down to 7-08 as well if recoil is too much. I cannot stand to be anywhere near muzzle brakes personally, but to each his own.

JPH45 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2004, 12:53:25 PM »

Adding weight is always a sure fire way to reduce recoil. I have no expericence with the mercury recoil reducers, but I suspect that they are at least as effective as the same amout of weight added. They work somewhat like the movement of the action of an automatic, not only adding weight, but countering recoil through movement as well. I am exploring adding a weight to the barrel of my 45-70 Handi, as well as filling the stock bolt hole with shot. The rifle weighs 9 pounds now (I have added about 2.5 pounds) I am starting with the weight on the barrel fixed simply with hose clamps, but will make a pair of clamps if the idea works well. Will post on it when i get a chance to try it out.

Down loading and using light weight bullets will certainly aid recoil reduction, and there is no reason that your 270 should not be the equal of the 7mm08 as Handirifle mentioned. Good Shooting, JP

SD Handgunner · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2004, 03:55:25 PM »

Thanks guys. I talked to a person at Answer Products today. They make the Counter Force Recoil Pad. My cousin has one on his Ruger M77R in .338 WinMag. It is kind of unique pad in that it is about 1 1/2" thick (at least) and the cushion comes from springs inside. In talking to my cousin he feels that the pad really does take the down a few notches. Now for the hard part, this pad is $99.00 installed.

Thanks again guys.

Larry

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2004, 09:50:03 PM »

I have found that a Past recoil pad,either the pin on type or the full shoulder harness type work wonders for taming recoil.They come in various thicknesses and widths.
I used the one from my Winchester Trap&Skeet vest and have sown a pocket on the inside of different shirts and jackets that I use thru out the year.This simple little pad is about 1/4" thick and it really spreads out the recoil to a more mangable level.It helps when your shooting more than 100-300 clays a-day.
I also believe you can still get a simalar pad marketed by Browning called the decellorator pad.The price is a little bit higher but talking with a bunch of Browning Trap/Skeet/Sporting Clay shooters they really seem to like them.

I also used mine when working up loads for my 1895GS while shooting off the bench.After shooting some very heavy loads I had forgotten to put it in one day,after about 4 shots I realized what I had done and slipped it into the sown in pocket....finished up testing about 100 rounds and was very happy I had it with me.

Mac

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2004, 01:17:00 PM »

The Mercury recoil suppresors work great. I have one on my Knight inline, major diffrence. the only problem with a syn handi is where to mount one, they are hollow stocks so you will have to put something in there to put it in, or maybe epoxy it in, I am lookin at doing that myself now.

SD Handgunner · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2004, 03:23:10 PM »

Thanks for the reply Badnews Bob. I was hoping to hear from someone that had actually used one.

The idea I had was to remove the stock attaching bolt, have a hole drilled into the head of it, tap the 1/4"x28 TPI threads into it, loktite a stud into it and attach the Mercury Recoil Reducer to the 1/4"x28 TPI stud. Probably have to fill in around it with some foam or something similar. The Mercury Recoil Reducers I have looked at all utilize 1/4"x28 TPI threads to screw a bolt into them for removal from the stock. I just figured this would work as a mounting fixture as well, and the foam placed around it would just add stability.

Which Mercury Recoil Reducer are you using ? I sent an e-mail to C&H inquiring about their products.

Thanks again.

Larry

ironglow · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2004, 03:34:14 PM »

One way (cheap) to add counter weight to the stock is a mixture of clear silicone calk and lead shot....

WW1 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2004, 06:00:57 AM »

hi I put a Limb Saver recoil pad on my 7mm08 Encore and it made alot of difference...I think I wiould try it even if you installed a mercury reducer.... I do know one theing the Limb Saver made quite a bit of difference to me......just my thoughts...Rob(ww1)

marlinman93 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2004, 03:47:41 PM »

I used the birdshot method on my Buffalo Classic. Remove the buttplate, and fill the hole with shot until it is slightly high. Then reinstall the buttplate, and it will slightly compress the shot. If you don't use any glues or caulking, you can simply dump the shot if you want to remove the stock, or remove the weight.
I also use the Past recoil pad on some of my rifles. I have the type that goes on like a shoulder holster. It works super, and cuts down felt recoil greatly! It also keeps those crescent buttplates on the older guns from jabbing me in the shoulder bones!

xnmr53 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2004, 04:57:16 AM »

marlinman93,

Those crescent buttplates are meant to fit on the upper arm, not on the shoulder. That's why you are getting jabbed. Just be sure to hold your elbow at shoulder height.

Airsporter · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2004, 10:57:42 AM »

I bought a .270 synthetic. It came from the factory with a steel bar, w/plastic end caps, stuffed in the buttstock. Bar weighed almost a pound.

Ganjiro · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2004, 12:12:26 AM »

Another option though a tad pricey is Magnaporting the barrel, my
bro-in-law swears by it.
http://www.magnaport.com/rifle.html

rmtaylor · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2004, 02:40:52 AM »

This is the directions that I got from C&H about a synthetic stock. IF MY RIFLE EVERRRR COMES BACK FROM H&R I will try it.

Take the recoil pad off and measure the stock bolt hole. If the stock
is hollow, you could use any of our stock models or you might want to
consider our new 7/8"x5"x16 ounce model. If the stock is hollow, we
would install by placing the Suppressor in the bottom of the cavity as
far forward as possible. Block behind it with a piece of dowel rod cut
off even with the stock, Fill the rest of the cavity with styrofoam
packing peanuts and your pad holds all in place. All stock models are
$47.50 including shipping.
Frank O'Brien C&H

Richard

handirifle · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2004, 06:25:09 PM »

I know this isn't exactly what you're asking, but if you're going to download the 270 you are probably in the realm of the 7/08 anyway. Why not get a 7/08 barrel? They are VERY close in ballistics anyway. Then you can use factory loads when necessary and not worry about the recoil. Just a thought.

WNY_Whitetailer · « **Reply #16 on:** March 18, 2004, 11:12:08 AM »

I would think about using some of that minimal expanding foam that you can use to fill in cracks and air leaks around the house. You could fill the butt stock with the stuff, trim off the excess and then drilling a hole the size of the mercury recoil reducer when the foam is completely dry. I've never tried it but it seems like it would work.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #17 on:** March 18, 2004, 05:04:50 PM »

Have you looked into any of the Sorbothane products? They work very well.

SD Handgunner · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2004, 11:32:47 AM »

Thanks for all the replies guys. It is all a moot point right now as I told NEF to send my Frame back to me without the .270 Barrel, When I phoned them on Feb. 1st to check to see if I could get a Stainless-Steel .270 Winchester Barrel fitted to my frame, I was told yes I could. I then asked specifically if they had the .270 Winchester Barrels available in Stainless-Steel, to which they replied "Yes they are on hand". When I asked about the turn-around time I was told 4 to 6 weeks.

Well 6 weeks has come and past so last week I phoned NEF to inquire about the status of my Frame and Barrel. Now I was told that they wouldn't be making any of the new for 04 caliber offerings in stainless-steel until possiblly May, June or July, and that I should expect my Gun back in August or September. I rely'd all of the info I was told at the time I sent in my frame and was told I was misinformed.

I then promptly told them to cancel my order, and to send me my frame and money order back as soon as possible.

Guess it is back to the drawing board.

Larry

bonsairon · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2004, 02:55:32 PM »

I have not tryed it but I read somewhere that you can add bird shot
to wax and melt it pore it into the buttstock while its warm.
If you want to remove it later run hot water over the stock till
it releases.and it all comes out.

handirifle · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2004, 11:23:48 AM »

SD
If it's not too late just have them put a 7-08 barrel on it. These are VERY close to the 270 especially a loaded down one and recoil should be just what you're looking for.

What barrel is on it now?

Aspin · « **Reply #21 on:** August 27, 2009, 07:42:47 AM »

First off, I want to thank all for the posts. I am doing a trigger job tomorrow. One question is why shorten the spring by a curl?

As far as recoil goes..... Well, I hunt in Mississippi and we can use the handi 45-70 in lieu of blackpowder. Since I will NOT be still hunting with this thing, I added bullet lead fishing weights and some wood glue to keep them from rattling ( I found even large shot rattled too much for my taste). On course I made sure the butt screw was secure beforehand. I have a 1.5x6x40 KAHLES variable on top and the unloaded weight is 12.2lbs. With a neoprene anti-slip sling, carrying to the stand is not tiresome either.

The felt recoil is reduced (IMO) to a light 270.. Not bad using a 45-70. In the stand, I am able to have a nice arm of weight which helps balance out the front end weight of the heavy barrel.

The only thing I plan on doing to it is buy a hammer extension (I am a leftie) and free float the fore end piece.

I buy custom ammo from Conley Precision Cartridge Co out of Como, MS. They do mail order for all. I am using a 250gr Barnes TSX FN. I am easily good to 250yds. Ammo runs about 47$ for 20, and since I only hunt with it, it is a deal to me since I do not handload.

Again, it all who have posted, thanks for the help/info. Any thoughts??

hunt-m-up · « **Reply #22 on:** August 27, 2009, 11:20:37 AM »

Most archery shops have a collection of old bow stabilizers they would be willing to part with pretty cheap because they are outdated or used, some are filled with powdered metal, some have liquid, some are rubber compounds similiar to the Limbsaver pad. Wrap them in bubble wrap and insert in the stock.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #23 on:** August 27, 2009, 11:25:47 AM »

Welcome! Spend some time in the FAQs and Help sticky, you'll learn a lot!

Limbsaver makes a prefit pad for the synthetic stock, #10018, something that wasn't available over 5yrs ago when this thread was started, this H&R forum wasn't even around then, I just moved this thread from the Single Shot forum after Aspin dug it up!!

Trimming a coil off the trigger spring will help lighten trigger pull, download Perklo's trigger hone .pdf if you haven't already done it. You can order the Uncle Mike's hammer extension for about $7 plus shipping, link in the FAQs also.

Tim

bigoledude · « **Reply #24 on:** September 09, 2009, 10:24:50 PM »

A shoulder injury suddenly had me suffering from recoil. I bought the "Limbsavers" shoulder pad that straps around your torso and shoulder. It doesn't appear to be very thick but, it works incredibly well. I did not have to perform any complicated alterations on any of my rifles or shotguns.

With one purchase, I solved all of my recoil problems. I now wish I had done this years ago.