Author Topic: Can't get my CR45 sighted in... (Read 1131 times)

Roper1952 · « **on:** May 04, 2009, 02:43:37 PM »

Geez, I'm having a heck of a time getting my new 45 carbine zeroed in. First the rear sight was way cocked to the right, Remington sent a new one that's a bit better, but not great because the dovetail is sloppy/cocked.

So I ordered a Williams receiver sight and although it's a real nice piece, I can't drop elevation enough with it. I've got it backed down as far as it'll go and I'm still 6-8" above POA at 75 feet (indoor range). My Blackhawk does better than that. Even working with the factory buckhorn I still can't get elevation to come down. I've backed it down as far as she'll go and I still getting high results.

I'm about ready to send it back to H&R to have them check it out, but before I do I thought I'd hit the forum up for their collective expertise. Am I missing something simple or is this gun goofed up?

cwlongshot · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2009, 03:25:18 PM »

Many times with a peep on a handi a taller front site is required. this is all it sounds like to me..

CW

Roper1952 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 04, 2009, 04:14:59 PM »

CW, I hear what you're saying, but shouldn't this thing have been more user friendly out of the box?

One shouldn't have to remake something to make it work, am I wrong? Besides, the stock front sight is about a half inch tall.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2009, 08:58:49 PM »

I checked the FAQ's for you. This may be of some assistance...

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/GunTech/sight.aspx

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums//index.php/topic,64605.0.html

Click on the FAQ link at the top of the forum page. Once the page loads use Control F to search. In this case I typed in the word "sights".

When you add a reciever sight your line of sight changes. So much so that even 1/16 of an inch in the front sight could make a problem such as yours.

Quote

One shouldn't have to remake something to make it work, am I wrong?

That's really a relative question. Precision shooters take a brand new short action Remington 700, sell the bbl, sell the stock, trigger and bottom metal, and send the reciever by itself the the gunsmith for truing and polishing before they ever add a match grade bbl, stock, trigger and metal to it. In the end the means achieves the results they are looking for. They also drop about 3x's more money in that reciever than it will ever be worth in the end. Every rifle i've owned so far from 1000 dollar AR15's to 300 dollar stevens or savage rifles has required some form of tweaking to meet my pesonal preferences.

Just be patient and do some research, and know that if something doesn't work out to begin w/ then were here to help you out. If you get frusterated w/ the gun, put it in the corner or closet until you wake up the next morning. By then you will be un-pissed and things won't seem so bad.

Don't mean to sound condisending... just speaking from experience

zoner · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2009, 02:02:22 AM »

i put a wgrs peep on my sportster....had the same problem as you....use the brownell's sight height calculator. On my sportster i used a .680 front sight and at 50 yds i'm dead on with the rear sight in the middle of it's elevation adjustment. Given that your muzzle diameter should be a little bigger than my sportster, your front sight should be a little lower than mine....the brownell's calculator will tell you how much.......good luck,it'll be worth it when you get it right

Roper1952 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 05, 2009, 08:32:11 AM »

Well, first of all I want to thank you all for the feedback. None of it is condesending, all of it is well intended and well received.

A little personal history might help. I've been a handgunner and shotgunner most of my life, hardly ever touch a rifle. So I've been spoiled by picking up a gun and having it shoot well from the start. Sure I've spent some change customizing a few, my NMBH wears $150 cocobolo grips just as an example. My frustration is that after doing the math, even the stock sights on the CR45 come up .040 shy of working. And that's with the rear sight sitting as low as it will go. This means there is no way it would ever shoot at POA. Does H&R really think this little carbine is a 300 yard gun? That's the only way the elevation ever would have been functional.

The analysis shows that I could get a .50 to .57 front sight from Williams that would work with the stock rear sight. However I would need a .65 front sight to make the WGRS sight work. In the world of Williams that mean adding a ramp or riser block. I don't want to go there.

So I'll stick it in the safe for now and think on the options. Thanks again for educating this old fart...

myarmor · « **Reply #6 on:** May 05, 2009, 01:49:37 PM »

I hate that with your first H&R rifle you are having problems. Some slip by I guess.
Why not scope your little carbine?
A small Leupold would look great on it...... Just putting it out there. If not then I say get a call tag and ship it back on Remingtons dime to fix it.

-Aaron

Darreld Walton · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2009, 04:23:12 AM »

I picked up yer rifle's twin about a month ago, and have been gigglin' like a school girl ever since! First shot out of the new barrel with 260 Nosler and 2400 that I shoot in my Blackhawk sent a soda can into a sub-orbital trajectory and hit point of aim at 100 yards with no adjustment! Without sandbags, leanin' across the hood of the pickup, it's giving me about 2" groups at that range, with both the Noslers and hard cast lead.

Roper1952 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:29:21 AM »

I'll trade Ya'....

Seriously, I'm sure I'll get it sorted out but right now I'm focused on an upcoming week of trout fishing. Won't be needing a 45 for that...

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:59:06 AM »

Best thing you can do is go fishing and clear you mind and mess with it when you get back...

By then you'll be looking forward to messing w/ your gun some more.

Lefty Dude · « **Reply #10 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:14:45 PM »

Half the fun with a brand new firearm is getting them to shoot the way you want them too.

I have bought several pre-owned shooters over the years and the previous owner was ready to throw the piece in the canal or river. At that point it is kinda like the thrill of the hunt & chase.
One Rifle I bought from a Friend, a Remington 600 Mohawk in 222. He tried everything to get that piece to shoot. After he sold it to me, all I did was have the chamber reamed to .223. Now it is a tack driver. Of course he wants it back now. After I shot a Javelina behind the ear at 230 yards.

Don't give up so quick, have Fun put a couple hundred rounds thru the piece. It should settle in by then.
75' is kind close, don't ya think ?

udtjim · « **Reply #11 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:24:25 PM »

I have been having a ball with mine. I have been shooting 160 grain lead bullets with 6.0 grains of Titegroup, it's about like shooting a 22 magnum.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Roper1952 on May 07, 2009, 11:29:21 AM

I'll trade Ya'....

Seriously, I'm sure I'll get it sorted out but right now I'm focused on an upcoming week of trout fishing. Won't be needing a 45 for that...

I agree, you WILL get it!! Now go have a ball with them trout!! Leave the CR home and pack a BH on your hip instead!!

Good luck!!

CW

Roper1952 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2009, 04:49:41 PM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on May 07, 2009, 01:55:53 PM

Leave the CR home and pack a BH on your hip instead!!

CW

CW, you mean somethin' like this...

Lefty Dude · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2009, 05:53:56 PM »

Quote from: udtjim on May 07, 2009, 01:24:25 PM

I have been having a ball with mine. I have been shooting 160 grain lead bullets with 6.0 grains of Titegroup, it's about like shooting a 22 magnum.

Ya know with a 45, you can load up round ball loads, using 451 or .454 Hornady lead balls. Seat them about half way and use a light crimp.

A great plinking and Rabbit or rodent load

cwlongshot · « **Reply #15 on:** May 07, 2009, 11:32:37 PM »

Quote from: Roper1952 on May 07, 2009, 04:49:41 PM

Quote from: cwlongshot on May 07, 2009, 01:55:53 PM
Leave the CR home and pack a BH on your hip instead!!

CW

CW, you mean somethin' like this...

That combined with a good leather rig would be perfect!!!

I have never owned a short barreled 45 SA. Mine is a 7.5".

My "carry" SA is a first model Ruger BH .357mag with a 4 5/8 barrel, "silver frame" and stag grips. Shoots 180gr Black Talons into one hole at 25 yards!!!

CW

petemi · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2009, 02:54:08 AM »

Take your rifle and shoot the trout! Shoot em upstream from you so they float back to you and you don't have to run after them downstream

But that's a Yooper thing. Seriously, good luck fishin' If we can help when you get back, holler.

Pete

udtjim · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2009, 02:37:01 PM »

Lefty, I guess at one time I knew that but I had forgotten about it. I will have to give that a try. That 45 LC is versatile as heck. Mine is the 45 LC BC.

They have never chambered a 45 ACP have they?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:40:49 AM »

Quote from: Roper1952 on May 04, 2009, 02:43:37 PM

So I ordered a Williams receiver sight and although it's a real nice piece, I can't drop elevation enough with it. I've got it backed down as far as it'll go and I'm still 6-8" above POA at 75 feet (indoor range). My Blackhawk does better than that. Even working with the factory buckhorn I still can't get elevation to come down. I've backed it down as far as she'll go and I still getting high results.

Here's an option to lower POI, probably too much tho, may require a lower front sight to work right.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=497701

zoner · « **Reply #19 on:** August 19, 2009, 01:22:59 PM »

Roper,call H+R...the tallest screw-on front sight they sell is .634 I think...should work with the wgrs peep

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 19, 2009, 02:25:50 PM »

Quote from: zoner on August 19, 2009, 01:22:59 PM

Roper,call H+R...the tallest screw-on front sight they sell is .634 I think...should work with the wgrs peep

Except the BC Carbine has a dovetail front sight, no mounting screw. $:-\$

Tim

zoner · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:03:50 AM »

durn...forgot about the dovetail on the carbine...thanks Tim

Buckwheat Jack · « **Reply #22 on:** August 20, 2009, 02:18:11 AM »

My humble guess

is that the real problem is the close range. 75 feet! I have a Schmidt-Rubinn made in 1915. The bottom setting on the sights is for 300 meters, so it shoots 6 to 7 inches high at 100 yards. I would think the .45 being high at 75 feet might be dead on at several yards(75 - 100?)
Again, just a guess. Seems like the old Colt handguns were set to shoot high so a brass belt buckle could me used as a point of aim for a hit in the chest.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #23 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:07:36 AM »

"Seems like the old Colt handguns were set to shoot high so a brass belt buckle could me used as a point of aim for a hit in the chest."
Sounds plausible to me Buckwheat. Kurt