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Fuse / Quills
« on: June 21, 2009, 09:12:51 AM »
I was @ Double D's yesterday .Got to visiting about quill's  , fuses . Wondered if a fuse quill combo would work . He graciously donated a few of his "Quill Straws" 
Being today is Fathers Day  I got to do what I wanted . I had borrowed a long 3/16" bit from DD and re bored the vent hole on mortar. 
Next project is the fuse /quill attempt .
Got all the materials laid out and made one .  Trouble threading the tape with ffff powder up the straw . Decided to try pulling it with a copper wire ...perfect . Put 1 1/2" fuse in powder tape fr about 1/4" and pulled back  in  to straw tube.  I'm wondering if I need to seal the top of straw to keep spark from igniting the quill ?
Here is  some pictures of the project and the end result . Testing later.
First is the tape ready to coat with FFFF

Tape coated ready to split with scissors.

Tape split with copper wire , ready to pull through tube.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 09:21:26 AM »
first post worked, 
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 09:36:17 AM »
sorry , maybe Im stupid but I dont understand the advantage to combine the 2 different ignition methods .

one is an instant , or almost instant fireing method

the other is very slow if you dont want to stand beside the cannon when fireing
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2009, 09:49:02 AM »
Fuse too slow , quill too fast . Combination may give faster fire time , less chance of some one/thing in way of firing.  Don't like to be standing next to mortar when it goes off . The fuse/quill  may give time to walk back to safety zone but speed up ignition time .
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 11:47:10 AM »
wouldnt it be easier with a shorter fuse ??
or a more fast burning fuse ??

but ok its fun to do some experimenting some times  ;D
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 11:56:05 AM »
I've used a fuse/quill combo for the past year or two.  Usually around 1" of fuse... gives me a second or two to back away from the cannon before it fires.  Haven't had any problems... works good for me.
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 12:53:46 PM »
Quote from: dan610324 on June 21, 2009, 11:47:10 AM
wouldnt it be easier with a shorter fuse ??
or a more fast burning fuse ??

but ok its fun to do some experimenting some times  ;D

Dan, he's shooting a bowling ball mortar.  He needs a fuse 7 inches long. If he uses green fuse it takes just over a minute for the fuse to burn down to the charge.  Plenty of time for him to get out of the way and plenty of time for the dog or little kid to run in front of the gun.

With a quill it fires instantaneously and he gets caught in the muzzle blast.

With a short section of fuse it takes 5 or 10 seconds to burn down to the quill which lights instantly.  The 5 or 10 seconds gives him plenty of time to move back, and still have the mortar go off and not wait for a minute for the fuse to burn down
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 02:56:37 PM »
ok , but that about dogs and children I dont buy .

 IF THERE ONLY IS JUST A SLIGHTLY POSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPENED THE FUSE SHOULD NEVER BEEN LIT

cannon shooting aint any play with toys, at least not when children and animals are at the site  ;D

wouldnt it be better with a slap hammer ?? then you have optimal control of when it say boooooom
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 03:41:46 PM »
Quote from: dan610324 on June 21, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
ok , but that about dogs and children I dont buy .
 IF THERE ONLY IS JUST A SLIGHTLY POSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPENED THE FUSE SHOULD NEVER BEEN LIT
cannon shooting aint any play with toys, at least not when children and animals are at the site  ;D
wouldnt it be better with a slap hammer ?? then you have optimal control of when it say boooooom

I've done enough cannon/mortar shooting to say that you cannot predict the next 10 seconds after you've lit the fuse!  One plans as best one can and  provides for the most stable situation, BUT SOMETHING will happen that shouldn't have!

I can remember a Looooooong time ago with a two minute fuse - way too long.  Don't ask.  But I will never forget it!  (OK, I was a teenager at the time.)  That's enough of a hint.


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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 04:08:52 PM »
Quote from: dan610324 on June 21, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
ok , but that about dogs and children I dont buy .

 IF THERE ONLY IS JUST A SLIGHTLY POSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPENED THE FUSE SHOULD NEVER BEEN LIT

Two boys came out of no where and rode across in front of one of my cannons on a dirt bike.  I tried to wave them off, but they ignored me.  That was the day I stopped using fuses and switched to quills and then later friction primers.  As gunner when I say fire I want the artillery piece to go off within the next few seconds if not instantously.
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Tested Fuse / Quills
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 08:36:18 AM »
Tested the Fuse /Quills today . They work great . Fired off several rounds in BB Mortar . Used 1 oz. to 3 oz. Of Fg powder. Ranges with 10 and 15 lb balls were 6o yards to 520 yards . We used Laser Leica range finder  for distance measuring .  Fun ... now to build a bunch for the 4th . 
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2009, 01:05:47 PM »
Quote from: Artilleryman on June 21, 2009, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: dan610324 on June 21, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
ok , but that about dogs and children I dont buy .

 IF THERE ONLY IS JUST A SLIGHTLY POSIBILITY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAPPENED THE FUSE SHOULD NEVER BEEN LIT

Two boys came out of no where and rode across in front of one of my cannons on a dirt bike.  I tried to wave them off, but they ignored me.  That was the day I stopped using fuses and switched to quills and then later friction primers.  As gunner when I say fire I want the artillery piece to go off within the next few seconds if not instantously.
Exaclty, even if you have driven 50 miles out in the boonies without seeing anyone, YOU NEVER KNOW where andwhen someone might pop up.
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Re: Tested Fuse / Quills
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2009, 05:47:27 PM »
Quote from: 1Southpaw on June 25, 2009, 08:36:18 AM
Tested the Fuse /Quills today . They work great . Fired off several rounds in BB Mortar . Used 1 oz. to 3 oz. Of Fg powder. Ranges with 10 and 15 lb balls were 6o yards to 520 yards . We used Laser Leica range finder  for distance measuring .  Fun ... now to build a bunch for the 4th . 

Let me expand and clarify....

This weighs 10 lbs.



It came from down there.



One thousand five hundred, sixty feet.

I was sent down there by this.



With the help of 3 ounces of FG.

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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2009, 07:12:05 PM »
With the sighting line on the tube now you can play mortar Bingo.  ;D
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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2009, 07:30:04 PM »
Bingo!!! Bingo is for wimmen!!! We are getting ready to  do some bowling with bowling pins!!!
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2009, 12:36:23 AM »
Quote from: Double D on June 25, 2009, 07:30:04 PM
Bingo!!! Bingo is for wimmen!!! We are getting ready to  do some bowling with bowling pins!!!

But the real MAN's game is playing catch!   Where's my glove ....   :D
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Re: Fuse / Quills
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2009, 12:48:44 AM »
"I'm wondering if I need to seal the top of straw to keep spark from igniting the quill ?"

 I would.

 Regardless, I wouldn't depend on the fuze to give you time to get away. If your fuse delay fails and sparks ignite the quill while you're in line with the vent, you could be injured. I'd use a linstock and assume that the fuse might not buy you any time.
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