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Offline 45-70.gov

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no serial number
« on: June 02, 2009, 04:53:50 AM »
i  have run accross a few old guns lately with out serial numbers

i was told they were  old and originaly produced with out numbers

is this true?
are they legal to own?
at what time  were serial numbers required?

i  also could not find any place they had been  removed
which  is definatly  a no no.....but not sure when that law went into effect
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 05:05:46 AM »
There was a time when serial numbers were not required.  Many guns made during that time did not have numbers.  As far as I know they are legal, know a few people that own those old relics.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 05:54:16 AM »
I have owned a few of them - mine were "wall hangers," old damascus barreled double guns, etc.  Yes they are legal. Wikipedia says they became required as of GCA 1968, but I think it must have been much earlier than that because I just haven't seen anything less than about 70 or 80 years old without a serial number. 

Removing a serial number, or possessing a firearm with a removed serial number is a big time crime.  I'm sure you know that but I don't even like posting on this subject without acknowledging that.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 05:58:46 AM »
I have an old Stevens 325 30-30 that has no serial number.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 06:18:56 AM »
I have a early 1960's Western Auto - Revelation Model 300 12 ga. shotgun that was manufactured by Savage (as a knockoff of their Model 30) and research indicates they didn't put SN's on their own shotguns until after 1968, when the feds required it.

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Re: no serial number
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 06:47:44 AM »
That's interesting.  Must have been GCA 68 then.

I found this resource on proofhouse.com in case anyone is interested - should help with guns manufactured for retailers.
http://www.proofhouse.com/cm/house_brand.htm
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 04:08:20 AM »
There are many guns from pre-1968 without serial numbers. Some of them are sought after and will bring a premium price on the used market.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 04:55:30 AM »
The Garcia Bronco was made without serial numbers. It was a wire butt single shot. I wish I'd kept mine.

The rumor was that serial numbers made them too expensive for the market.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 05:06:28 PM »
It became a federal law for guns to have serial numbers in the mid 60's, after JFK was killed.  Alot of guns made before that didn't have serial numbers.  The guns w/o serial numbers are still legal to own, and are suppose to be classified antique weapons.
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Re: no serial number
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 02:41:49 AM »
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was the beginning of the downfall of firearms and ownership and all the laws.   Jim
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