Need some extractor/ejector info

[300S+W]

   My SIL has 2 Handi-Rifles. One is wood stocked,chambered in .30-06,ser #NR348987,and has Handi-Rifle SB2 on it.  The other one(he aquired recently,used) is a Survivor,chambered in .308,ser#NW315244,and has Handi-Rifle on it.
   The .30-06 both extracts and ejects where as the .308 extracts only. Seems there's no coil spring in the extractor assembly on the .308 nor is there a hole on in the piece on the bbl that holds the assembly for a pin to retain a coil spring as on the .30-06.
   These firearms are new to me and any explaination would sure be APPRECIATED! I HOPE my description is adequate.

[quickdtoo]

H&R started switching to manual extractors in 2004, ALL centerfire rifle barrels now have extractors, factory ejectors are only available on shotgun and rimfire barrels. Home conversion options are listed in the FAQs and Help sticky, a great place for H&R newbies to spend lots of time reading. 

Tim

[300S+W]

   Hey Tim,THANK YA! I kinda had feeling that was what the situation was. We're not really all that concerned about the nonejecting feature but just wanted to make sure all was as it was suppose to be. I APPRECIATE the info and the QUICK reply! I'll be familiarizing myself with these firearms more.

   til later,
      Earl

[petemi]

Earl, as opposed to many here, I prefer the extractors.  The case doesn't stick and I don't have to poke around in the snow looking for them.  A side note, they only stick when you need a quick second shot. I can reload just about as fast, so I don't see an advantage to the ejector.  Thanks to Tim and the Almighty, all mine are now extractors.

Pete

[300S+W]

 THANKS for the input Pete!  I can appreciate not losing casings if your a reloader as I am.  One other concern I have is that the extractor will extract a live round easliy but not the only fired casing I've got available right now. At least not without a fairly hard snap of the bbl. Is that normal? I'm thinking that the fired casing I used was out of my friends Model 7 and that's what's causing the extracting problem. I'll know for sure when I get an OK from the Doc to shoot.

[petemi]

I really can't tell you.  My .30-06 stuck about every third of fourth shot, clean or dirty, this ammo or that.  It was like having a muzzleloader and having to push the case out with a rod.  I've no need for that in my world.  Extractors push 'em back, and my fingers still work well enough to pick 'em out, and I can do it quicker than hunting around for them.  I really don't see a great time advantage of ejectors over extractors.  If a case sticks, you've lost any head start you may have had.

Pete

[quickdtoo]

Let's not get confused by terminology, ejectors are spring powered and throw the case out, extractors just lift the case out a little and the case needs to be plucked from the chamber by hand. Ejectors are notorious for sticking brass, you need to full length resize that brass for the chamber for it to work properly in the 30-06 Handi, see the FAQs and Help for more info on ejectors and how to deal with their short comings. A properly working extractor will likely damage the rim if the case it stuck bad enough and it will be hard to break the action open, that's not the case with sticking brass with an ejector, it will just stay in the chamber when the action is opened.

Tim

[300S+W]

  I'm talking about the extractor,as it's not spring loaded on the Survivor and I'm assuming it cams outward. When I break open the action the fired casing and extractor stay flush with the back of the bbl. It extracts fine with loaded rds.  If I kinda snap the bbl open it will extract the fired casing every time and I can then get my fingers on it. As I said,I'm HOPING the casing I'm using wasn't fired in that rifle and is causing this hang up.

[quickdtoo]

Sounds like either it's a first generation extractor which is know to fail and why there's a second generation(see FAQs for the difference) or the cross pin is wore out/damaged, or possibly the cam is defective. I've had one stuck case on my 500S&W when I apparently didn't clean the lube off of a cast bullet load after seating a bullet, it was stuck hard enough that I had to break the barrel over my leg to get it open, it extracted the case, but then I had to use pliers to remove the case from the chamber!!  So I know the second generation extractors work well if working properly. You can get a new roll pin at a hardware store or order part #S01677 from Brownell's or H&R, H&R charges over $10 for shipping tho, the cam can only be ordered from H&R.

Tim

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=7127&st=&s=

http://www.hr1871.com/documents/manuals/HR_NEF_HANDI_RIFLE_MANUAL.pdf

[300S+W]

  Hey Tim,I just checked and the Survivor is second generation.  The .30-06 is first generation and so far is working fine. I honestly believe the fired casing I'm using in the Survivor wasn't fired in it. It's hard to get it completely chambered for the last 1/8th inch or so. Once I get it chambered and close the action as long as I snap open the action fairly hard it well extract the casing. The casing is tight to pull out but can be done with fingers.
  This rifle was bought new not that long ago and was only sighted in by the original owner. Anyways,I removed the extractor assembly,cleaned it,and flushed out where the assembly goes. All looked to be fine with no abnormal wear. I reassembled it and it moves easily and extracts a loaded round just fine. We'll see how it goes when I am able to shoot. I REALLY APPRECIATE your input on this!

  til later,
     Earl