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Offline Sourdough

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Suppressed Handi
« on: May 07, 2009, 07:47:18 AM »
Borrowed a Suppressed Handi from a friend to shoot Beaver in a populated area.  No one knows I am shooting beaver with a .308.  Picnickers less than 50 yards behind me and no one hears a thing.  Due to bears in the area people do not let their kids roam from the picnic site.  The few people that have seen me unloading and setting up think I am carrying an air gun, and they don't have a problem with that. 

I set up a portable blind to hide me from their view.  No noise, No fear.  When I shoot the only sound heard is a slight whisper, just like in the movies.  The sound is not load enough for anyone but me to hear.  The same sound you hear from a blow gun, just not as loud.  The bullet striking makes more noise than the shot. 

It's great, I shoot, a beaver flops, I select another target and shoot again.  I wait for the perfect shot where the Beaver is out of the water far enough he won't flop back into the water.  While a head shot kills them instantly, the body still flops around for a few seconds.  Then just before dark I walk down dragging a plastic sled on the grass.  I pick up the beaver and haul them back to the truck.  I can get three of four an evening, and never upset the beavers or people.

Also due to bears in the area I am not going to be doing this after dark.  Picking up a bloody beaver after dark in Grizzly country is not a bright idea to me.  Plus the subsonic loads I am shooting would not be good for defense.  All they would do to a bear would be to get his attention, and not in a good way.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 08:35:08 AM »
Only word I have is:  COOL!
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 09:11:45 AM »
Sounds like a good time to me.


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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 09:56:10 AM »
Is the supressor hand made or is it factory. Would like to have one myself.    Jim
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 10:58:31 AM »
I can't have one, I live in a dumbassed liberal state.

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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 01:55:28 PM »
I visited New Zealand last year and visited a few gun stores. Suppressors are freely available there. - Pete
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »
I love suppressed Handi's.  Here is my 30-06 shortened to 20" with an 1898 Krag sight installed.


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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 04:08:24 PM »
Did you make that suppressor or is it factory?  How is it constructed inside?
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 04:25:17 PM »
It is a factory made can by YHM
http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/phantom762.html

all stainless steel and pretty heavy, about 1.5 lbs.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 04:53:57 PM »
Pun intended. That sounds like a blast. Except for the beavers of course. Do you skin them out? Charlie
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 04:55:20 PM »
   I was thinking about a can on one of mine. A .30-30 would be something like a Rimed whisper with the smaller cases than .308 or '06. Then again the .44 with a 300 grain bullet would be most effective.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 05:15:46 PM »
Rusty that is exactly what I did with my contender in 30-30.  I call it a poor mans whisper.  You are right in that a 44 mag 300 grain sub sonic will hit harder than a .30 200 grain sub sonic, but with the 30 calibers you have the option of switching to super sonic (and still use the can).
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 07:55:54 PM »
The one I am using is a Gemtech.  it is a commercially made unit. 

The ammo I am using I loaded myself, 9.5grs of Trail Boss, with a 180gr Speer SP.

I have to charge the suppressor with CO-2 before shooting to purge the oxygen from it.  Otherwise there is a loud pop when I fire the rifle.

Got three Beaver tonight, all were kits, young ones this time.  They are about half the size of an adult.  We are not shooting them for their pelts, we are shooting to slow down the damage they do.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 08:02:10 PM »
To get a suppressor, go to a Class 3 dealer and get the paperwork.  Fill it out and send in.  it will cost $200.00 for the permit.  Once you have the permit the dealer can then transfer the suppressor to you.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 01:15:02 AM »
357 is another good way to go suppressed.  There are plenty of heavy duty suppressors made for that calibur (full auto rated 9mm stuff, like the cans made for the MACs) You can shoot 38spl for subsonics or 357 mag or max if you want full boat punch.

  This is something lots of people don't bother to really look into.  They think they know it's illegal.  In 35 states, it's not illegal.  It's regulated.  There is a difference.

  By all means, look into it.  Find out if it's something you can do where you live.  The transfer process takes time, but once you own it it's yours forever.  The Gemtech web sight has a list of which states allow silencer ownership.  You can start there.  subguns.com has a dealer's board of inquiry where you can find a reputable class3 dealer in your area.  Find a local dealer and they will know what the laws in your state are and how to walk you through the process.  You have nothing to lose by finding out if it's an option for you.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 04:41:15 AM »
Sourdough I imagine you are using the Co2 to eliminate the first round pop.  If you are only using the sub sonic handload you described then you could save the cost and trouble of Co2 by just adding a few cc's of water, or you could just spit into the back of the can before you put it on.  Either will act as a suitable ablative to eliminate the first round pop.

When I shoot my .45 pistol can I pour a little water down the locked open slide and let it drain into the can.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 09:30:35 AM »
dieselten:  It's not a problem, I use the little device that is used to unload a muzzleloader.  It's a little trigger device that is used with a small CO 2 cartridge, and you put it to the back of a muzzle loader where it pushes the bullet down the barrel.  I just stick it in a hole in the can and give it a shot.  The trick is to remove the oxygen so there won't be a pop during the first shot.

Since the weather has turned off colder, people are not showing up out there.  Tonight I am taking my .17HMR Sportster.  I'll be able to compare it to what the subsonic .30 cal does.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 11:51:10 AM »
I have a 7.62x39 Handi cut to 16.25 and threaded for an AAC Cyclone suppressor.  Just have to wait for the ATF to approve my paperwork so I can bring it home. Will be used mostly subsonic in this caliber and supersonic in my .308 (Savage-not Handi).  Working on load development now.  So far 6 grains of Red dot behind 180gr. Remington round nose stays subsonic out of the x39 with reasonable accuracy.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2009, 04:57:57 AM »
Forget the surpressor, lets talk about that Krag sight!  IS that the stock base on it and did you have to do any smith work to get it mounted? Would love that sight on my BC....
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2009, 06:25:40 AM »
This is a stock 1898 Krag sight I think it is called a "model of 1901".  It has windage built into the base and is locked with a small lever.  The whole thing works pretty much like a 1903 Springfield sight except you can lock the windage with the lever. 

The sight mounts with 2 screws, the rear screw hole is normal and can use any screw, I just use the screw that came from a Handi Rifle scope base.  The front screw is tricky, it needs to have a very very small head in order to fit inside the top half of the sight and torque down onto the base.  When I originally tried it I just used the rear screw into the rear screw hole on the Handi barrel - just one screw and no problems.  Then I made a screw for the front, and another problem popped up, the spacing in the base doesn't match the barrel holes.  If you use the rear barrel hole the font base hole is halfway over the hole in the Handi barrel.  So either move the whole thing back with 2 new screw holes or just use one screw and a little loctite.
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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2009, 06:42:21 AM »
I had 2 Krag sights so I put one on my BC.  The BC also has scope blocks for a Unertl target scope.


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Re: Suppressed Handi
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2009, 01:59:17 PM »
I will be headed to E-bay....
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