Author Topic: 45 colt revolver hunt (Read 2467 times)

leather5to1 · « **on:** February 01, 2009, 04:50:18 PM »

I'm looking for a 45 colt strong enough to shoot hot loads. I would like six round capacity and thought that a blackhawk would be the answer. The more I read about throat size problems the less faith I have. Am I missing an option or worried about nothing with the blackhawks. Any input would be appreciated.

gun junky · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:14:38 PM »

From my experience the throats seem to be a little tight. The last three I had were that way. I shot them as they were. It is something you can get fixed. I:m not sure if the new ones are any better. I have been thinking about the 4 inch redhawk in 45 cal and not sure if they have the same problem or not. Both the blackhawk and redhawk are very strong revolvers. Good luck with your search.

jbquack1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2009, 05:17:04 PM »

I have a blackhawk in .45 colt that i converted to a bisley. Accurate with any load but especially likes the heavy bullets(300 to 350 grain).I have heard of chamber throat problems in the past but i haven't had problems with mine.jim

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2009, 01:59:13 AM »

dont worry about the throats. If they are wrong it only takes 35 bucks to fix it.

Ken ONeill · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:10:10 AM »

I only own 3 .45 Colt Rugers at the moment, but have also owned a couple of others. Personally, I've never seen an inaccurate Ruger .45 Colt. Buy one and shoot it. Then shoot it some more.
Frankly, I feel that there's been a whole lot more nonsense written about Ruger .45 Colt chamber mouths than the situation ever deserved. Greater accuracy problems are much more likely to arise from oversize .456-.458 chamber mouths such as those once found on Smiths and Colts. That's the very reason that many factory loads for .45 Colt were once loaded with hollow based bullets, that would slug up to fill the chamber mouths. Of course, they were then swaged down in the bore.
Buy the Ruger.

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2009, 08:21:08 AM »

I seem to recall owning only two Ruger BHs in .45 Colt. One was a very old Bisley and like the one owned by a friend it had grossly over size throats and tossed bullets all over like the old S&W and Colt guns with same problem. The other was a SS 5.5" Bisley one of the limited edition guns and it was perhaps the most accurate Ruger BH or SBH I've owned. I think they finally figured it out at Ruger.

BigMuddy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2009, 05:11:38 PM »

leather5to1

I see it is your first post. Mine too!

I have had and do have several Rugers in 45 Colt. I have Bislelys, Blackhawks, (Old Models and New), Vaqueros, New Vaqueros, and a Redhawk. The Redhawk has had the throats all opened to .453.

Every single one of them shoots VERY WELL. The Redhawk is no more accurate than any of the others.

You cannot go wrong with a Ruger in 45. Get one and enjoy it

gun junky · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2009, 04:54:31 AM »

Big muddy, how is the recoil on that redhawk compared to the bisley with the heavy 45 loads 325 grain bullets etc. I have been thinking about a 4 inch redhawk in 45 colt. Thanks gun junky

Hank08 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2009, 05:50:56 AM »

Leather, you are right , the Blackhawk is your answer, don't worry about the throats.
Gunjunky, IMHO,the Bisley is about the best on recoil and the Redhawk is about the worst.
H08

BigMuddy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2009, 04:50:19 PM »

Quote from: gun junky on February 07, 2009, 04:54:31 AM

Big muddy, how is the recoil on that redhawk compared to the bisley with the heavy 45 loads 325 grain bullets etc. I have been thinking about a 4 inch redhawk in 45 colt. Thanks gun junky

Compared to the Bisley, in my opinion, there really is no comparison. The Bisley grip handles recoil from heavy loads much better than the Redhawk. It is not un-berable in the double action, but the web of my hand gets a pretty sore with repeated shotes. If I am shooting heavies in the the Big Red, I wear a PAST recoil glove or put rubber Pachmayer grips on it. When shooting 250's and normal 45 Colt velocity the Redhawk is quite comfortable to shoot.

Autorim · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »

IMO the Bisley grip handles heavy recoil better than any other. I sold or traded all of my Ruger single actions that did not have Bisley grips.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2009, 03:58:04 PM »

And I'm just the opposite. I sold my Bisley because it beat the crap out of my knuckle.

Keep looking for a Hogue or Pach. grip to fill in behind the trigger guard. I have hogue grips on my redhawk and super blackhawk and they are much kinder to my finger. DP

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2009, 12:58:14 AM »

Seems many that have the knuckle slap on Bisleys don't allow the gun to roll as it's supposed to. They seem to try to hold back the recoil and not want the roll to occur. That will certainly slap the knuckles. Rugger tend to not allow the roll either. The gun is wanting to do as it was desinged, let it.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2009, 02:21:34 AM »

well for the guys that dont think bisleys work. Ive got two 4 inch 500 linebaugh bisley vaqueros and shot them along side of kelly brosts 4 inch 500 with a blackhawk frame and with full power loads i about dare you to shoot his gun twice. I also have a lightweight 45 colt 4 inch gun clements built me on a blackhawk. With 320s at 1300 that gun will make you go look for your linebaugh to plink with!!!

Hank08 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2009, 08:00:33 AM »

Lloyd is right, there's no comparison, notice that just about all .475s and 500s are built on Bisley frames and if you lay a Bisley frame over a FA 83 frame you'll find the contour is the same. I think the 83 .454 came first so Ruger must have shot one then copied that shape.
However they both arrived at that shape, it's definately the best anyones come up with yet.
H08

WolfTrap · « **Reply #15 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:10:15 AM »

Quote from: leather5to1 on February 01, 2009, 04:50:18 PM

I'm looking for a 45 colt strong enough to shoot hot loads. I would like six round capacity and thought that a blackhawk would be the answer. The more I read about throat size problems the less faith I have. Am I missing an option or worried about nothing with the blackhawks. Any input would be appreciated.

Ruger with adjustable sites... for casual shooting....cost of shooting affordable if you roll your own?
For hunting?
If yes.........glass.....electric dot!
For coup degrade?
If yes.....heavy SWC in front of 18 gr. 2400 would to the trick!
If worried about throat size....don't be!
Doesn't make a bit of difference @ 3 feet!
For self defense?
If yes.....heavy SWC in front of 18 gr. 2400 would to the trick!
If worried about throat size....don't be!
Doesn't make a bit of difference @ 3 feet!
If hunting for game larger than a rabbit....go for the Super Redhawk's in 454/45 LC in which the first suggestion cancels out all but one "IF"
WolfTrap

torpedoman · « **Reply #16 on:** March 04, 2009, 03:27:32 PM »

I have a HAWES they are german made and a very nice revolver accurate and never had a problem with it

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2009, 01:39:58 AM »

Look at the Bisley in 45 Colt or for the older Bisley Vaquero "Not the new model". I prefer the Bisley grip to the standard Blackhawk grip. Recoil is easier to handle with the Bisley grip. Listen to what Lloyd posted.

Like Lloyd all my custom big bore handgun have gunfighter style grips, (Bisley style). My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is great to shoot, and I am using some HOT loaded 325 gr. hard cast bullets, I have shot them in my Blackhawk, and they were not fun to shoot at all.

WolfTrap · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2009, 06:05:49 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on March 05, 2009, 01:39:58 AM

Look at the Bisley in 45 Colt or for the older Bisley Vaquero "Not the new model". I prefer the Bisley grip to the standard Blackhawk grip. Recoil is easier to handle with the Bisley grip. Listen to what Lloyd posted.

Like Lloyd all my custom big bore handgun have gunfighter style grips, (Bisley style). My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is great to shoot, and I am using some HOT loaded 325 gr. hard cast bullets, I have shot them in my Blackhawk, and they were not fun to shoot at all.

325's bought or cook up your own?
Who's mold?
Gas checked?
Suggest powder weight?
Custom BB?
Man....don't stop!
Can't just say "Custom" and sign off

WT

blhof · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2009, 03:03:23 PM »

For 45 speeds, you don't realy need gas checks, and they drive up the cost of shooting. Hard cast; either water quenched WW's or WW's sweetened with some Linotype. I load my Ruger Blackhawk, using the T/C load book that specifically says that asterick loads are for T/C and Rugers Only. My 45 was accurate out of the box and the throats were just fine. I load from cowboy light for plinking to near max for hunting. The 45 Colt has taken most, if not all Northamerican big game.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:42:49 AM »

Quote from: WolfTrap on March 05, 2009, 06:05:49 AM

Quote from: Redhawk1 on March 05, 2009, 01:39:58 AM
Look at the Bisley in 45 Colt or for the older Bisley Vaquero "Not the new model". I prefer the Bisley grip to the standard Blackhawk grip. Recoil is easier to handle with the Bisley grip. Listen to what Lloyd posted.

Like Lloyd all my custom big bore handgun have gunfighter style grips, (Bisley style). My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is great to shoot, and I am using some HOT loaded 325 gr. hard cast bullets, I have shot them in my Blackhawk, and they were not fun to shoot at all.
325's bought or cook up your own?
Who's mold?
Gas checked?
Suggest powder weight?
Custom BB?
Man....don't stop!
Can't just say "Custom" and sign off
WT

I roll my own, I get the bullets from Montana Bullet Works, he used an LBT mold and the bullet is a wide flat nose gas checked bullet. I am using 21.0 gr. of H 110 which is not the max load but close.

My custom guns are as follows, 410 GNR by Gary Reeder it is a 454 Casull necked down to 41 cal, on a Redhawk frame. I have a 510 GNR which is a short 500 Linebaugh, that can be loaded from 500 Special power up to 500 Linebaugh loads. It is only 1/10 of an inch shorter than the 500 Linebaugh. It is built on a Super Blackhawk frame with gunfighter grips similar to Bisley grips. I have a Super Redhawk 454 Casull that was cut back to 2 1/2 inches and a bunch of others goodies done to it, it pre-dates the Ruger Alaskan by about 3 years, that is where Ruger came up with the design for the Alaskan. I have one other custom being built right now by Gary Reeder, it is a Super Blackhawk stainless, it is going to be a 475 Linebaugh.

My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is also going to be sent off for some modifications. Free spinning cylinder, action job, trigger job, and a S&W rear sight installed.

SDGlock23 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2009, 04:13:13 AM »

My first .45 Colt Ruger was a Blackhawk 7.5". I never did measure the throats but it shot okay, not great, but just okay. I kept hearing how much better the Bisley frame was, and several years ago I bought a 5.5" stainless Bisley. It shoots very well, even with the .45 ACP cylinder installed. I've ran some warm 335gr handloads and some of the 325gr buffalo bore loads through it and no doubt the Bisley frame is a HUGE improvement!!

I vote that the OP gets himself a .45 Colt Ruger Bisley!

WolfTrap · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2009, 06:30:56 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1 on March 08, 2009, 12:42:49 AM

Quote from: WolfTrap on March 05, 2009, 06:05:49 AM
Quote from: Redhawk1 on March 05, 2009, 01:39:58 AM
Look at the Bisley in 45 Colt or for the older Bisley Vaquero "Not the new model". I prefer the Bisley grip to the standard Blackhawk grip. Recoil is easier to handle with the Bisley grip. Listen to what Lloyd posted.

Like Lloyd all my custom big bore handgun have gunfighter style grips, (Bisley style). My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is great to shoot, and I am using some HOT loaded 325 gr. hard cast bullets, I have shot them in my Blackhawk, and they were not fun to shoot at all.
325's bought or cook up your own?
Who's mold?
Gas checked?
Suggest powder weight?
Custom BB?
Man....don't stop!
Can't just say "Custom" and sign off
WT

I roll my own, I get the bullets from Montana Bullet Works, he used an LBT mold and the bullet is a wide flat nose gas checked bullet. I am using 21.0 gr. of H 110 which is not the max load but close.

My custom guns are as follows, 410 GNR by Gary Reeder it is a 454 Casull necked down to 41 cal, on a Redhawk frame. I have a 510 GNR which is a short 500 Linebaugh, that can be loaded from 500 Special power up to 500 Linebaugh loads. It is only 1/10 of an inch shorter than the 500 Linebaugh. It is built on a Super Blackhawk frame with gunfighter grips similar to Bisley grips. I have a Super Redhawk 454 Casull that was cut back to 2 1/2 inches and a bunch of others goodies done to it, it pre-dates the Ruger Alaskan by about 3 years, that is where Ruger came up with the design for the Alaskan. I have one other custom being built right now by Gary Reeder, it is a Super Blackhawk stainless, it is going to be a 475 Linebaugh.

My Ruger Bisley Vaquero 45 Colt is also going to be sent off for some modifications. Free spinning cylinder, action job, trigger job, and a S&W rear sight installed.

Dang Dude......nice pieces!
Since my 44 FA is pretty much usless at 10 inches.....gonna have it cut down to 1/8 in front of ejector housing in the next few weeks.
Steel.... will keep it "Open Sight" with some "Nut Burning" high glow juice in front sight.
If I can find a 4 inch Dan Wesson barrel....jush might come to my senses

Later,
WolfTrap