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.38/9MM Questions
« on: February 14, 2009, 05:03:47 AM »
Could 9MM ammo be fired in a .38/.357 barrel if you used a .223 extractor?

Have you ever stuck a .38 Special lead bullet in a rifle barrel when using light loads?
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 05:26:32 AM »
nothing to headspace on.... 9mm headspaces on the case mouth.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 05:37:03 AM »
I was thinking the .223 extractor might snap into the extractor groove on the 9MM case.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2009, 05:39:39 AM »
 I stuck a gas check in a 44mag rifle. Next shot end of rifle, Not a nef but
 a Rugar 44 mag carbine, be careful with light loads.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2009, 06:29:56 AM »
I know curiousity burns in all of us, but always remember.  If it isn't designed for it, don't use it!  Nobody wants to see anybody missing a hand, finger, eye, 1/2 a face, ect...
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2009, 08:01:25 AM »
Nope 9mm wont work it just falls in too far and 9mm dia is usally 356 with .38s being .357 to .360, You can use 9mm bullets in .38 cases.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 08:29:26 AM »
or you can make rimless 357 cases from 223 cases that are the length of your chamber and use a 223 extractor....but nothng gained, just different.

I would love to have a factory handi in 9mm or 40 s&w to plink with.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 10:55:36 AM »
it may  headspace on the  223 extracter

it may work most of the time
then whe you least expect it
you  have 2 in the chamber
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might reem  a bigger rim  cut
put an e-clip on  the 9mm round
sorta like  a 9mm auto rim [like the 45 auto rim]
38 = 357
9mm= 355
also the free bore to consider
if this  is  just something  you have to do

i am very happy with  the 357/38  as  is
but  i don't carry a 9mm
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 03:15:43 PM »
I was wondering if it was possible to use 9MM in a SHTF scenario.  That's why I ask.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 05:40:18 AM »
SHTF

thats all  you got    9mm  and handi 357

a little tape  to make a friction fit  [have cleaning rod handy]
or maybe a little wire around the extractor groove to form a rim to extract and head space on [have cleaning rod handy]
NO MODIFICATION  TO GUN  IF  YOU LATER  NEED  A 357/38

should be safe  let  us know
better practice before SHTF
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2009, 11:54:19 AM »
  I have been wanting them to make the Handi in auto pistol calibers too.  I think it would be good for plinking and some small critter work.  No doubt 9mm is the most common pistol round on the planet, and I can see the desirability of a good foraging gun in a scavangable round should things go that way.  While we're at it, how about .40 and .45

  We have a couple of options to get what we want, and I would put firing 9mm through a .357 Handi toward the bottom of that list, even if you do have duct tape.

  First option is making or having made a new barrel by 'stubbing' an existing barrel.  This has been a topic here recently and I think that stubbing a Handi will be one of my next gunsmithing projects, after the projects on my bench get further along.  In short, you put a barrel blank into the cut off stub of an existing barrel and re chamber to the new cartridge.  (Now is where you get to use that 223 extractor.)  On the good side, you end up with a high quality barrel.  On the bad side, if you can't do it yourself you will spend more than the price of a new handi to get it done.  At that point you could have just stocked up on ammo for the .357.  Check out the FAQ section.  I did and it got me hooked.  There shall be stubbing here.

  Another option is buying a barrel insert.  I know that MCA in Alaska sells full barrel length inserts that slip into a 12g barrel to fire smaller rounds. (same outfit that sells the chamber adapters)  I haven't got any response from them to any of my emails, so I don't know how easy they are to deal with.  That may be a good option because you could have a couple of inserts that you could choose between as ammo became available.  You would also have the 12g barrel which is not a bad foraging round at all.  I would guess that the humble 12 gage shotgun accounts for as much game in this country every year as any two other cartridges together.

  At the moment, I have a 9mm carbine project that I am wrapping up.  I took a Spanish Destroyer carbine ( bolt action carbine originally chambered in 9x23mm)  and shortened the chamber.  Not too difficult.  I took the barrel out, cut the barrel shoulder and breach face back enough to turn it two more turns back into the receiver.  Now the sights will be where they should be and I will only have to ream the chamber a few thousandths by hand.  I will be fitting modified 9mm 1911 magazines to feed it.  The machining is done, just time to reassemble, swear at whatever I'm overlooking, and straighten it all out.

  You are on a good track.  The Handi rifle is a great platform for experimentation.  Build something that you want and can't get off the shelf.  That way, if the SHTF, you have the gun.  Even better, if the S never hits the fan, you will have learned something and done constructive things with your time. 

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 08:35:28 AM »
Just out of curiosty I tried to chambe a 9mm in a .357, It won't work at all at least a 1/4 inch of the case will not go into the .357 chamber, So 9mms have a pretty definate taper to them and will not fit the .357. 8)
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 09:24:05 AM »
I've not tried this (and probably wouldn't), but as a solution to the headspacing issue, I've heard some people using a chamber shim in 9mm Largo guns (9x23mm, compared to 9x19mm for 9mm Luger) so that 9mm Luger rounds would heapspace and fire correctly.  It's the same idea as those adapters that let you fire .308 ammo in a .30-06.  It does kinda simulate a worn throat though as there's a lot of unrifled distance the bullet must travel before entering the barrel with such a thing.

All in all though, it's probably not work it.  It'd be a custom job and not likely something you could whip together in a SHTF scenario - not to mention that while it might work, it probably wouldn't work WELL.

That said, I know Ruger makes at least 1 revolver (Vaquero?) that has both 9mm and .357/.38 cylinders available that will safely fire either depending on which cylinder you swap in.

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2009, 03:41:31 PM »
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2009, 04:06:06 PM »
Just out of curiosty I tried to chambe a 9mm in a .357, It won't work at all at least a 1/4 inch of the case will not go into the .357 chamber, So 9mms have a pretty definate taper to them and will not fit the .357. 8)

Thanks, I was going to mention that, but didn't have my 357 handi to check it.  I suspected it would be difficult to fit a ~.391 case in a ~.379 chamber.

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2009, 04:06:39 PM »
if  you just  have to shoot a 9mm in a rifle

the cheapest and best thing to do

is get a hi-point
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2009, 02:04:27 AM »
Too easy.  More fun to build a new rifle. 

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2009, 02:13:06 AM »
Too easy.  More fun to build a new rifle. 

Feed the addiction is more like it. ;D
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2009, 02:39:42 AM »
That would defeat the point.  The point was to be able to use as many different types of ammo in the weapon as possible as a last ditch measure.
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2009, 02:05:34 PM »
That would defeat the point.  The point was to be able to use as many different types of ammo in the weapon as possible as a last ditch measure.


you  missed  the point 
get  more  guns
one  for every cartridge  you may  encounter

but ho can  i say  YOU   missed  the  point
its  your  thread
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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 02:52:33 AM »
Swampman, is the goal to shoot as many different rounds as possable out of the one gun without modification?  Is a multi barrel switch out still within the parameters of the 'game'?  I'm up for a challenge.

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2009, 03:14:28 AM »
  Have you heard of the Medussa revolver?  It has some sort of claw in the cylinders so you can shoot .380, 9mm, 9mm makarov, 38 super, 38 spl, .357 and just about any cartrige in that size range.  I have never handled one, but they suposedly work well.  They do turn up for sale, but not cheap.  Last one I bookmarked on gunbroker went for about $700, if I recall correctly.  I don't imagine that the brass would come out intact and reloadable with all of the different case shapes, but like I said before they will shoot them all.

  I like takedown rifles. (Probably a result of the year in my teens when I read all of the Flemming James Bond books in a row.)  The ability to build multiple front ends in multiple calibers is a great plus. The Handi rifle , while not as exciting or expensive as a Dakota or Blazer takedown rifle system, does give you that capability.  You could make or have made a 9mm front half for your Handi.  May cost more than the aforementioned HiPoint, but so what.  I came close to making one for my Handi, but the conversion of my Spanish Destroyer bolt action was just plain cheaper and easier and it ends up with a bolt action repeater.  It's a whole rifle, not a change out kit for a multi caliber system but I have to pick my projects with some limitations and connection to reality.  A multi barrel takedown is something that I'd love to have, but that's not going to happen this year.

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Re: .38/9MM Questions
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM »
You mean like this?

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Medusa_Model_47.htm


A person would have to check out the chamers on this. This would be a great SHTF revolver.
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