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lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« on: January 12, 2009, 08:28:52 AM »
I have a .223 h&R w/syn. stocks a was wondering how big can I go and still have the same
weight gun and barrel?  Just want another carry gun, doesn't have to be a 45-70, I was thinking about
the 270 win. power range.  Accurate out to 100 yds. is good but 200 would be nice.
Whats everybodys pick?
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 08:50:07 AM »
.243 Superlight, under 7lbs scoped with a light scope.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 08:58:48 AM »
Just happened to have my .223 standard contour 22" barrel & .308 standard contour 22" barrel on the bench and out of curiosity, weighed them both (with similar scopes).
.223 = 4 lbs.-15 oz.
.308 = 4 lbs.-12 oz.


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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 09:09:26 AM »
The 243 Superlight slick barrel(no sights) with low Leupold Rifleman rings and a Weaver 4x32 scope weighs 3lbs-8oz.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 09:13:43 AM »
7mm-08.  For the little diffrence in weight, I'd carry the .45-70.  But, I'm a .45-70 Handiholic nut.  Mine weighs more cause I've got 9 rounds on the stock.  Ammo on the stock is an easy way to reduce recoil.  Add weight, no work.

I'd guess the next question would be is "What difference does a single pound or two make."  The thing isn't going to hang around your neck for the rest of your natural life.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 12:03:19 PM »
Weight shouldn't even be an issue with a Handi Rifle.

That is the appeal that they have.    Simple, non complicated and stripped to the bone no nonsense rifle that can shoot with the best of them.

Anything lighter would be a slingshot!
My culled down Handi's are the 45-70, and then I have a few others to keep it company...357 Mag/Max. .45 LC/.454 Casull Carbine, .243 Ultra, and 20 gauge Tracker II.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 12:31:42 PM »
i  like  this  but  the 500  might give an even  bigger  bang

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 01:03:11 PM »
I wouldn't put the .500S&W in the same class as the OP's requested .270W for 200yd shooting criteria, and it's no lightweight, even tho it has a big bore, the barrel is bigger than a bull barrel small bore at ~.890" at the muzzle, mine weighs 4lbs-10oz with a 2-7x32 Nikon Shotgun scope which weighs 12oz mounted in low Leupold PRWs.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 01:22:19 PM »
I imagine a 45-70 with a 16" barrel and sights would be pretty light.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 01:40:16 PM »
Tyke is warpped, don't listen to anything he has to say about recoil. ::) ::) ;D


BTW I like .280s and .308s when I'm not shooting .357s.
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 02:37:56 PM »
A superlite bigger than 243 would "hit the nail on the head", but...
Far as I know 243 is the biggest superlite and from previous posts
it doesn't group well with factory ammo. I am very interested about other medium calibers now that Bill
says the 308 is 3 oz less than the std. 223.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 02:49:39 PM »
Yeah, he's definitely warped, but I still love the little guy. Can't understand why he's so much into pain. If I were shooting what he shoots, I'd have about eight limbsavers, lots of Ibuprofen, and a jug of liquid pain killer afterward.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 04:11:48 PM »
  I am very interested about other medium calibers now that Bill
says the 308 is 3 oz less than the std. 223.

Not much magic in the lighter weight on the two barrels mentioned. They are basically identical on the exterior, the difference is the .308 has a larger chamber and bore,
Less metal = lighter weight.  ;)

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 04:20:59 PM »
My 12 gauge shorty with a 3" mag slug. :o
Real light with a REAL BIG bang.
It's not a rifle but it'd probably kill a T-Rex.


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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2009, 02:29:55 AM »
Spanky, ignorant Pete here.  What is a T-Rex???  I don't know what they are, but I don't think any of them can survive the cold here!!  I don't know of any on my place.

Just for giggles and grins, I'm going out in a little bit to see if my Handi .45-70 and I can hit the 300 yard gong at zero degrees and a 30 mph cross wind.  That's the fun of learning a rifle.  The target is west, wind from the north, so I'll try the first shot about 18 inches or 2 feet to the right.

Gotta go put on my fur lined underwear.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2009, 04:40:26 AM »
I dunno about the 200 yd shot but my lightest NEF with the bigggest bang is my NEF Turkey shotgun.   It is a 12 ga/3 1/2" and weighs just under 6 lbs.   When you touch off a long slug round from this one it will let you know it for a long time. 
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 05:28:10 AM »
Gotta go put on my fur lined underwear.

Pete

You got fur lined undies Pete? Don't stay cold here long enuff for'em here but its deffnatlly to nasty to go out shooting today. 8)
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 08:00:46 AM »
It's not really going out to shoot.  It's stepping out on the back porch, knocking the snow off the rail, plopping a sandbag down and shooting.  The fur lined skivvies worked though, the first shot got the gong!  That's good, at over a buck each, you don't want to be tossing them away!

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 08:10:46 AM »
I finally woke up, Spanky.  Yeah, the T-Rexs have been gone from here for a few weeks.!!!  But, should they decide to come back, I'd certainly try the .45-70 on 'em.  I bet that would piss off the DNR.  They can't even honestly admit we have cougar here.  Old TR would really give them fits. 

More OT, has anyone heard any more about the mammoth cloning results?

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 01:01:43 PM »
I dunno about the 200 yd shot but my lightest NEF with the bigggest bang is my NEF Turkey shotgun.   It is a 12 ga/3 1/2" and weighs just under 6 lbs.   When you touch off a long slug round from this one it will let you know it for a long time. 

You can say that again. I bought a 12 ga. full choke 3"chamber barrel and put on my rifle receiver. I shot it twice with 2 3/4" 4 shot and both times it jarred my head off, left my forward hand, and was standing almost vertical. I saw a 12ga. Pardner in a local shop with a 3 1/2" chamber full choke, with a synthetic camo stock. I told him that one would stomp him, and I wouldn't try it for nothing. He said he knew so too from experience.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 02:11:43 PM »
The 243 Superlight slick barrel(no sights) with low Leupold Rifleman rings and a Weaver 4x32 scope weighs 3lbs-8oz.

Tim

On the website it says it is 5 1/3 lbs http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/Rifles/handiRifle.asp
is that just a typo or what? I was curious because i was considering getting one for my girlfriend. 

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 02:22:34 PM »
3lbs-8oz is just the barrel w/scope and rings, the whole rifle w/scope weighs 6lbs-7oz, scope weighs 8.9oz, so 5.33lbs is a bit less than what it really weighs.

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 02:51:36 PM »
Tracker II 12 guage 5.5 lbs. Try some 3 inch mags in it if you like pain. No fun off the bench.
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2009, 02:58:18 PM »
What the ????  Fur lined undies, S&M???  I musta typed in the wrong address for GBO, gotta get my glasses checked or sumptin'.  DP
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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2009, 03:48:28 PM »


5lbs 2oz.

Big bang...? Not in the noisy sense, or recoil sense, but it can be loaded to give a big Thump so I've been told. I haven't had it out hunting, nor worked up other than practice loads, but I'd be quite confident for most stuff where I'd hunt. (Western WA and Central BC) ;D

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2009, 04:23:30 PM »


5lbs 2oz.

Big bang...? Not in the noisy sense, or recoil sense, but it can be loaded to give a big Thump so I've been told. I haven't had it out hunting, nor worked up other than practice loads, but I'd be quite confident for most stuff where I'd hunt. (Western WA and Central BC) ;D

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »
That's a nice combo!  8)  If I could put that together without breaking the bank it
would be in the collection.  I know "just buy it one step at a time and throw away the
receipts" right  ;)  I really like the feel of the surviver stocks but I wondered what the difference at the range or in the field would be as far as handling, shootability and accuracy?
But the 357 isn't much after 100-125 yds.  Fill me in on the MAX conversion.
Need a rechamber, dies, and ...

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Re: lightest NEF with the biggest bang!
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2009, 04:39:15 AM »
NYS
I can't really tell you much first hand about the conversion to Max, since I bought it already converted. But yes, simple way is to rechamber a 357 mag. You can rent a reamer - I believe there's something in the FAQs about where - or have it done by a gunsmith. Dies; well I did acquire a set of Max dies, but I did use 357 mag dies for some time (Lee carbide), and if I hadn't stumbled on a such a good deal for the Max dies, I doubt I would have bought them.

Truth be told, most of the rounds through it are built on 357 mag brass anyway. I've got a Ruger Blackhawk in 357 mag, and a lot more 357 mag brass than 357 Max brass so it makes sense to load for 357 mag. I mostly load 148 and 158 cast bullets (cheaper) though I have tried a couple of potential hunting loads with 180 and 200 gr jacketed bullets. However, my son and I never did manage to get out Bambi chasing, so other than a few times we did pop off some 180 and 200 gr loads, pretty much all the shooting with this one has been at the club range with moderate to light cast loads. I don't have a chronograph so I don't have hard information about any of the loads.

As far as the Survivor stock is concerned, the main reason I put it on was for my son who at 11 was kind of skinny and light and wanted a shorter, lighter stock at the time... now he's 14, and less than 1/2" shorter than me, is working out, and still growing. I guess we'll be putting a regular adult stock on it soon... ;D

And one thing about the Survivor stock, is that it seems to have less felt (subjective?) recoil with the 'hunting' loads than with the original wood stock. That stock was heavier, so it would be normal to expecte that the recoil would be less... but that doesn't seem to be the case. When he first shot it with the wooden stock, my skinny, smaller son, didn't like the recoil. I put a youth synthetic stock on it, but it was actually too short (and according to him, still too much recoil) so it ended up with the Survivor stock as you see it, and, as Goldilocks said about the porridge: "It was just right."

As far as handling goes, I can find nothing to complain about using the Survivor stock. What I like most about it is that it weighs less than the wood stock it came with. All I can say is that my son likes it (as do I), and it is accurate enough for him to plink with at ranges inside 100 yards. (It also has a 20 ga barrel, but he doesn't go for the shotgun stuff so much.)

As I mentioned, I set up this combo when he was 11. It was intended to be his first exposure to centerfire (and to learn to reload for it) with the optimistic idea we could go hunting together. (Never happened, due to ex-wife requirements, kid going to school, living 4+ hours apart etc). But it did its job just fine. He got used to something other than the .22 rimfire, he got some reloading experience, and had we managed to get out in the field, it would have handled his first deer just fine.

That's about all I have to offer, but there are a bunch of folks on the forum who can give you a lot more info on the Max regarding loads, how they reamed it, etc. You could use the search feature, or post a new thread asking for info.

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