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358 win. Rifle to carbine
« on: January 17, 2009, 04:16:08 AM »
 I have a Rem 7600 rifle in 358 win. with standard 22'' barrel and am thinking about making it a carbine . Is there a particular reason that Remington uses 18 1/2'' for there carbine length. I have noticed most carbines are 16 1/2 or 18 1/2  any special reason they go to the 1/2 inch and also, what would be expected lose in velocity per inch of barrel removed.          Thanks for the help
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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2009, 06:10:53 AM »
There are now and were jurisdictions that required a minimum barrel length of 18 1/2" to be legal for a rifle. If you are in a State that does so, I would suggest you have the barrel cut to 18 5/8" or a tad more just in case you ever damage the muzzle and it needs to be re-crowned.
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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2009, 02:42:50 PM »
doetag,

I question why you would shorten a barrel thats only 22" now?  The metal is pretty thin in .358 barrels so you won't save much weight just some length.

The velocity loss would be about 20 or so fps per inch.

I have four .358 Winchester rifles and its my favorite woods cartridge by far.  All of my barrels are 22" and three of the rifles are handy Featheweights.

Finally if the barrel is original then what ever collectors value the rifle may have in that unique cartridge will be lowered.


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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 03:43:27 PM »
[if the barrel is original then what ever collectors value the rifle may have in that unique cartridge will be lowered.]

The barrel might be original, but either the bore or the chambering isn't - as the 760 was never offered in .358 Win, AFAIK.

I would say that the subject rifle is either a rebored .308 or (most likely) a rechambered .35 Remington - both chamberings original Remington options.

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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 06:17:12 PM »
 Rangr44 is right about the rechambering.  I ordered it from Grices as a 35 Rem.and had it rechambered. to me a carbine is just more comfortable to carry and handier in a stand.I do like the way it shoots as it is, and hoping this won't affect accuracy.  If I don't lose anymore than 100 FPS I'll be very happy with.    I had not thought about the law on barrel length, Thanks, I will have find out about that.   
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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 07:14:53 PM »
I like carbines!
From my documented experience, loss of velocity can be broken into a couple categories.

One category is that of taking a given rifle and cutting the barrel off. There is a measurable loss that will only effect the paper ballistics, unless you let it effect how you feel about it. Whatever you shoot will never know the difference. Also, the pressure you are running at will increase or decrease the amount of loss per inch. IE the higher the pressure the more the potential loss per inch. Yes, I know, there have been countless studies done over the year that show the loss in a particular barrel as it was cut off one inch at a time. I've studied several of them. I've also shot my own.

Another category pits a factory rifle with an unaltered barrel to against a custom rifle with a custom chamber and shortened barrel. This situation we have at our house. Our Remington700 30-06 with factory 22" barrel runs less than 10fps different than our Interarms Mark X with a custom 20" barrel and a tightly cut chamber. This showed up on the Chronograph with our hand loads we were testing, so we ran some Winchester factory loads as a proof test, and the insignificant defence remained consistent.

You've had your rifle re chambered. It is in fact somewhat of a custom chamber. You may find less velocity than what you had by some measurable amount, but you may also find you have the same or nearly the same velocity as a 22" barrel with the standard factory chamber. WHY? Because standard factory chambers tend to be loose, to varying degrees. Tight chambers run higher velocities with the same load than do loose chambers.

Like a carbine? Cut the barrel and move on to enjoying the easier handling that you enjoy.

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Re: 358 win. Rifle to carbine
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 01:54:38 PM »
doetag,

I question why you would shorten a barrel thats only 22" now?  The metal is pretty thin in .358 barrels so you won't save much weight just some length.
I have the stub from this operation.  It weighs 4 oz.  I love the way the carbine handles compared to 22" barrel and am thinking of doing the same to a factory 35 whelen.