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Offline stimpylu32

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Chrono = ????'s
« on: December 28, 2008, 04:36:37 AM »
Got a chance to take my new Beta - Master Chronograph out for a spin yesterday with some odd results . First up was some factory 22 Hornet ammo to run a base line .

Rem 22 Hornet     223 Rem Handloads     Wolf Factory 223 Rem

low - 2756          Low - 2872                Low - 2845           
High - 2909         High - 2993               High - 2882
Ave - 2823          Ave - 2929               Ave - 2868
ES - 153.0           ES - 120.7               ES - 37.27
SD - 53.19           SD - 53.89               SD - 14.35 

The Hornet was right in the ball park of what it should have been , and the first loads of 223 were also , with the book calling for that load to run 3000 FPS , yet the Wolf stuff tossed me for a loop when I saw the numbers .

It was just a day to see if I could figure out the Beta but now I have to run another batch of my loads over it to see if I can beat the cheap Wolf stuff .  :o

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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2008, 04:55:00 AM »
?  Go Figure , Huh Richard ?  ??? :-\ ::)
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2008, 09:42:16 AM »
I really like the data provided by my chrony.. Trouble is finding that third arm to haul all the stuff to the range when I go... its easy to leave it when trying to "trim" down the load.... ::) ;D

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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2008, 04:29:37 PM »
What are you using to compute true muzzle velocity?  I set my chrony up at 15-feet from the muzzle.  I had some early ballistic software that computed the correct muzzle velocity.
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 03:56:36 AM »
My chrono and trophy hunting were two of the worst things I ever did.  For years I was unsatisfied with very accurate and acceptable loads because they were a hundred feet slower than I deserve.  A good buddy of mine who has been all over the wolrd hunting asked to run his pet .270 load tharough my Oehler.  He'd killed 30 or 40 head of game with that load.  His pet load that shot consistant 1" groups day in and day out ran 200ft slower than the book said it should and he went on a quest to find that load that would live up to the book specs and he's still looking and doesn't trust the gun any more as his go to.

Careful with chronographs...........
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 04:32:38 AM »
Doug, you are exactly right.  I love my chrono, but more because it's another toy to play with than anything else.  One day I was setting it up at the gun range and a bystander said "I bet that thing saves you lots of time and money developing your loads".  My reply was of course "No, it has cost me money because loads I was happy with before I got it are not good any more". :-\  Fortunatly my favorite load in 7-30 Waters (most accurate of my calibers except 223) averages right at book velocity.  ;D

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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 05:47:59 AM »
Right on Curtis,

The moral of the story is that velocity is only one component of shooting.  I use my chrono more to make sure that my loads are consistant, i.e., the Sd are under 10. 

Another short chrono story, I actually thought that a 300gr NoslerP at 2465fps from a .375HH would be inadequate because the stated book velocity was supposed to be 2500-2550fps even through I can shoot a consistant 1" group at 100.  I upped my charges till I got the desired velocity and shot 6 or 7" groups.  Finally, settled on the mild load and flattened a bison with one shot......I can be such an idiot.....
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 11:36:16 AM »
A chronograph will tell you a lot of information, but will not tell how accurate your load is. The name of the game is accuracy. Low SD does not necessarily mean you are going to get your best accuracy - an indication, but not positive. Richard - I bet your hand loads are more accurate than the Wolf stuff, even though the SD for your hand loads is much higher. Bullet alignment, being concentric and bullet quality are just a few factors that effect accuracy. It is not velocity. Velocity just tells you what you are getting, so you can figure bullet drop. Do not let the pursuit of velocity be your guide. A game animal will not tell the difference between a bullet at 2800 fps muzzle velocity vs 3000 fps. The only difference is how much bullet drop you are going to have at extreme ranges. Before I had my Chronograph, I developed a load for my 222 Remington 700. It was very accurate, the most accurate rifle I have owned to date. I never did shoot it over a chronograph, but I bet I was in the 2800 - 2900 fps range, when I should have been able to get some where around 3100 fps. I knew I was low on velocity by the load data, but when it shoots lights out, time after time, why argue? You can use your Chronograph to indicate an overpressure situation too. When developing a load if you reach the maximum velocity and you still do not have accuracy you are looking for, it is time to start over with a new component or powder and work your way back up. When you are developing a load and you hit that point where your accuracy starts to drop off without exceeding the top velocity - you know you hit the best velocity for accuracy - so what if it is 200 fps under max? it is rare that top velocity gets you best accuracy - lucky you if that happens, but do not count on it. Good Shooting and Good Luck
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 01:07:25 PM »
I love mine, Pact Mk IV. But it tells me that some of my best shooting loads shouldn't shoot! Also find that some stuff I thing is really cooking the bullet out, ain't. If you don't have one, you can tell any stories you want about your load, most people do. But to many time you'll be disallusioned if you run the load by a cronograph, obviously the damn thing doesn't work!
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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 02:47:37 PM »
Ya guys , I'm almost afraid to run my go-to 223 loads across this thing for fear that I will want to change something .  :o

LaOtto

Your very correct that speed is only one component of handloading and for the last 25 + years I have managed to get by just fine with out knowing how fast most of my rounds have been going , this is just another way for me to expand what I DON'T KNOW about this hobby .  ;D

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Re: Chrono = ????'s
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 03:44:17 PM »
Look at the ES on the first two... common sense says the groups may not be that great.
I use a Cronograph as a tool like a concentricity guage, to help find answers. I DO NOT use them to to find problems that are not there!
If a load groups great no reason to find something wrong with it.