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New guy with Dumb questions
« on: February 17, 2009, 04:16:25 PM »
I'm old in years but, totally new to this game.  Don't know any other way to learn but to ask questions.  Thinking about building a golf ball mortar.  Would an overall length of 11" and a dia. of 3", with a bore of 1.7xx, or golf ball size, with a 7" bore and a 1"x2" powder chamber be about right.  Looking for suggestions from you guys.  Sorry for the dumb questions but, any help would be appreciated.  I'm just into the thinking and research stage at present.

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2009, 04:22:14 PM »
1" diameter and 2" deep powder chamber is pleanty big - no problem.

11" OAL is pleanty long too.  (some would make it shorter, but a little longer just gives you more velocity.)

Material?  Steel?  Bronze?

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2009, 04:34:05 PM »
Why don't you go to the top of the board and look at safe loads and cannon plans.  Find the post for the the Golf ball mortars and review the palns there and see what you think.

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2009, 04:50:26 PM »
Your bore depth is a little much for a mortar, at least a traditional Coehorn pattern. What you are describing would be more of a howitzer, and should be mounted accordingly.

For a mortar, you want the bore to be about two calibers. In other words, two golfballs stacked in the bore should be about flush with the muzzle.

And your estimated chamber size will be excessive for a GB mortar. With a 1" x 2" chamber in a mortar-length tube, your'e never going to be able to load it anywhere near full capacity without blowing a lot of unburned powder out the muzzle. The chamber in my GB Coehorn is 1" by 1-1/4" and that's pushing the envelope. Any more and I'd go beyond the point of diminished return, where more powder is just wasted and does nothing to increase range. With a longer bore, you can burn more powder, but then (as I stated before) you are getting out of the realm of mortars and into howitzer territory.

If and when I build another GB Coehorn, I will back off on the chamber capacity. Probably to about 7/8" by 1-1/8" max.

As far as your 3" OD (I'm assuming were talking steel here), that will be fine as long as the chamber diameter is kept to 1" or less. You will also want a minimum wall thickness behind the chamber equal to or greater than the chamber diameter. The walls of the GB bore will be plenty thick at 3" since this is the low pressure section of the tube. With just a straight walled barrel and a suitable trunnion, you cab build a relatively accurate Confederate pattern Coehorn.

So there you have it. That's just the minimum basics, from which you could design a safe and enjoyable scale mortar.

For more info and some actual plans check the stickie threads at the top of the page.

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2009, 05:04:38 PM »
I would say you should build a golf ball mountain howitzer with a piece of steel that large.  1/3 scale is about right.
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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 05:12:47 PM »
Thanks for the quick replies.  Like I mentioned I'm new to this.  I would be using steel for the barrel.  What kind of charge would one start with for a golf ball mortar or howitzer.  Would you use Fg or FFg powder.  A lot of things to be considered.  Thanks again. 

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 08:42:40 PM »
Because golf balls are so light weight, you don't need a lot of powder for them.  I would start with 50 grains of 3F and go from there.  If you shoot heavy shot (like 1 lb spherical sinkers, for example), then go with Fg or cannon.
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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 01:00:53 AM »
Your bore depth is a little much for a mortar, at least a traditional Coehorn pattern. What you are describing would be more of a howitzer, and should be mounted accordingly.
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On another hand, that would be about the length for a line-throwing gun.   ;)

LOTS of options.
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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2009, 01:02:08 AM »
Because golf balls are so light weight, you don't need a lot of powder for them.  I would start with 50 grains of 3F and go from there.  If you shoot heavy shot (like 1 lb spherical sinkers, for example), then go with Fg or cannon.

50gr FFF will get you out between 100-200 yards with a 2 caliber length barrel and a Topflight #1.
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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2009, 01:36:55 AM »
I would build a gun before I worried about load.  But planning ahead for a quick build I would go Fg. You don't have a need for the faster burning higher pressure FFg and FFFg.

Once you get your gun made, start with ridiciuously low load and slowly work up building your load tables

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Re: New guy with Dumb questions
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2009, 03:10:14 AM »
If there is even the slightest possibility of shooting it in competition, check the rules for various associations first.

What Terry C. said is often more than a generalization, but often a rule. At least for the AAA, mortar bores are not supposed to exceed two projectile lengths. If you are over 2 golf balls in depth you will have to find something other than a golf ball (long and cylindrical) to shoot in it and still meet the rules.

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