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« on: July 17, 2003, 05:38:08 PM »
I'm placing this post here because it will NO DOUBT negitively affect Handgun hunting in our state not to mention  jepordizing ALL firearms hunting in the state of Kansas.

I don't know if any one in Kansas realizes what happened yesterday when our dear Gov. Kathleen Sebilus appointed our new state game commissioners. 3 New commissioners were appointed and 2 of them are really bad news.  New appointees are Kelly Johnston, Doug Sebilus and Shari Wilson.

For me this was a given -
Doug Sebilus is a lawyer from Norton Kansas and is related to the Gov. - go figure.

Bad Choice NO 2 --
Shari Wilson is a project coordinator for the Kansas Association for Consevation and Environmental Education. She has coordinated the annual Kansas Environmental Education Conference and a four-state environmental Education and Nature Conservency and is chair of the Wyandotte County Lewis and Clark Task Force. She was selected for the Leadership 2000 Program and the Kansas Environmental Leadership Program.

*** A Rabid Environmentalist on a state game commission.

And now for the Grand Finally = REALLY B A D  C H O I C E No. 1 ------
Kelly Johnston - from Wichita is a president and managing partner of the Johnston Law Offices, PA. He is a member of the Kansas Trial Lawyers Association and served since 1999 on the Executive Committee of the Kansas Trial Lawyers associations. He is currently a member of the NAACP, The Serria Club, and THE BRADY CENTER TO PREVENT HANDGUN VIOLENCE. Since 1998, Johnston has continously served as treasurer of the Sedgwick County Democratic Central Committee. He is the holder of a Kansas lifetiome hunting and lifetime fishing license.

A Lawyer that is a gun grabber and has a lifetime hunting license. BTW the state Trial Lawyers Associations were the organizations that lead the lawsuits againist gun manufactures.

It certainly smells like to me that firearms for hunting are going to quickly become a thing of the past here in Kansas. I don't know what this Gov. is trying to prove, but it certainly looks to me like her true colors are beginning to show through.

Any of you guys that belong to gun organization had better get your groups activated. This fight is the very essence of why we belong to gun organizations. All but the most dire excuses need to be put aside and bring to bear an orginazed effort to block these nominations or to recall the nominations. Individuals can't do this alone, they can only help. There are dozens of Gun organizations in this state and 12 to 15 very large clubs. GET the WORD OUT. It is going to take the strength in many gun organizations to fight this battle and get this stupidity in check.

Dave

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2003, 12:34:59 AM »
I hope that you and every other Kansas hunter/shooter who knows this will write a letter to your Govonor, your local state house represenative, your Congressional represenative and both your Senators.

I would alse write or send a copy of the letter you send to the Gov to these 3 new appointees.

You need to expose this sham of a commision. If they & the Gov. know that you and the rest of the hunters understand this BS, then it may help limit what they will do.

Let them know your opinion and that you understand what is going on.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2003, 05:34:25 AM »
The Kansas Senate Judiciary Committee January 23, 2002
SB116 Concerning firearms: Limitations on certain Civil Actions.

Conferee (Kelly) Johnston testified in opposition to SB116.  He espressed concerns regarding the billl which he stated would serve to insulate and immunize the firearm industry from civil liability. (attachment 23).

We have documentation now.  This guy is a main menber of "Safe State Kansas" a definate anti-gun group.  If you need proof go to:
http://www.safestatekansas.org/, and see for yourself.

Why, How, could a person with this position be appointed to the KDWP Commission?

Dana

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2003, 08:04:54 AM »
Dana305:  ask that of your governor and then ask your taxpayors why they intend to support people like this who will frivously use their tax dollars to take coninually failing action against the gun industry.

We in New York suffer under the limp d__k liberalism of Eliot Spitzer, a demicraptic Attorney General who refused to give up that losing battle, even after spending millions to continue to try and fight the gun industry.

Nobody asked him to do it, none of the constituency asked for another expensive and doomed to fail lawsuit, he just took it upon himself to forward the clinton/schumer agenda.  He's not looking at a healty following for the next election.

People like this suffer under an open press.  I would suggest you get your internets rolling, contact your friendly press (even you folks gotta have some press favorable to gun owners especially with the large gun clubs you have).  Then, get one of your sympathetic lawmakers to introduce a bill theat would prevent these people from using any tax dollars or fees contributed by hunting groups or licensure fees from being used in such frivolous lawsuits.  Just an idea.  Mikey.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2003, 08:16:28 AM »
Senate Bill 659 was introduced to finally pu an end to all this junk litigation by rouge attorney generals like Eliot Spitzer of New York and the rest of the left wing attorney generals, big city mayors and govorners.

Make sure to write your Senator and let him know you support S659.

You can use e-mail to write to yoru senator and congressman. The link below will get you to anyone of them.

http://capitoladvantage.com/h2/
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2003, 09:50:45 AM »
This doesn't look like Kansas Toto.....
   How did you guys get a passel of left wingers in charge of the Great State of Kansas??  

    What is going on there?
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2003, 10:28:42 AM »
Who the hell knows, we are a red state!!  I think we went to sleep and thought that an antigun movement "certianly could never happen here" mentality.  Gun Control agenda does not start with handguns, it starts with limitations on hunting with guns for not safe, they are build close to the lake, it is an endangered environment, etc.  Every reason except the real one, take away your largest support mechanism in gun rights, the average gun hunter and gun shooter.

Sad day here in Kansas, but with help we will beat it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2003, 01:37:37 PM »
Folks better wake up. This is not just about gun control, ite really about eliminating the 2nd Amendment and its a culture war. Chas Heston tried to articulate this years ago. The gun control lobbies real mission is to strike at the heart of the traditional American culture & heritage. Guns & hunting represent to these anti's the most extreme example of how bad, in thier minds American Tradition is.  By killing the important aspects of the culture, you can eventually eliminate the culture, in this case OURS. They are unleasing "cultural genocide" against us. If you kill the culture, you really kill the people and thier ways of life. Thats what this is all about.

For some folks, this argument is to extreme a view. But if you really think about it, what would it be like if guns and hunting was outlawed !!!!!!!

I urge you all to DO what you can to stop these genocidal maniacs, get involved, write, and this is a fight that you must put your $$ were the mouth is. Its just a fact, it takes $$ to fight these pigs. There are some great organizations that know how to fight this stuff very well. Between  your support for them and what you can do on your own for NO $$, it will make a dif. $$ and people numbers are what thse fights are all about.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2003, 02:05:26 PM »
cabin4,

You are exactly right.  I am sending in my money to our local guy.  You stated the subject better than i have ever heard it put.  Thank you for the inspiriation.

dana

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2003, 04:18:07 PM »
Cabin4;

Thanks for you words. You ARE NOT extreme in your statesment or view points. Only the radically left could come up such nonsense.

You all want to know how this happened? I'll tell you exactly how this happened. Complete unadulterated APATHY. That's why I started this thread with the title that I did. The Gun Clubs and Firearms hunters in particular have been completely asleep at at wheel and COMPLETLY uninvolved in issues dealing with the State's Big Game Commission. Most guy's are completely content with letting someone else do the work and they just sit back and coast on the work of the extremely few involved people in this state. This can be verified in fact by just listening to the State Game Commissioners pleading for input from the Gun Clubs here. They don't get the time of day from them. Some of the leadership of the Kansas State Rifle Association want to see something form someone else before the even consider this situation. There seems to me to be a big problem with the state's largest RIFLE association not jumping into this with both feet. It seems like to me becoming active with this would be a GREAT oppertunity for a very solid membership drive. Seems like to me the powers that be at the KSRA have it completely backwards. Seems to me you would have to put wood on the fire before you would get any heat. But not these guys - all you get is I told you so!!@!!

With absolutely NO INVOLVEMENT from the Gun Clubs in this state in wildlife and parks issues the stage was set for any demacratic anti-gun Gov. Then along come Kathleen Sabelius Demecratic canidate for Gov and is elected as a moderate. Then bang - she starts plugging in her anti-gun anti-hunting buddies in choice spots to carry her agenda. I'll tell you how good she is at disguising here agenda - here in Kansas we have a Gov's turkey hunt on the opening weekend of spring turkey. This Gov went turkey hunting with the Sectary of Wildlife and Parks. She said that she loved every minute of it and would do her best to endorese, promote and support hunting in the state of Kansas.

2 months after Turkey season closes - she appoints these jerks to our game commission, because she knows she can. She knows for a fact how invisible the Gun clubs in our state have been. She also knows the apathy of the gun hunters in this state. What she realizes is she can get away with muder in this environment and by the time enough Gunhunters here get the clue it will be way too late. She knows all this, and this state firearms hunters do not. The firearms hunters in this state (most) all think that someone else will fight this battle and there is nothing to worry about.

I'm trying to find out for sure but I think by the time she gets out of office she will be able to appoint 2 more commissioners. I don't know that for sure I'm still trying to find out.

Isn't that just lovely - our "moderate" Demacratic Gov is going to possibly be able to appoint 5 of our 7 Game Commissioners, and the general firearms hunting public doesn't have a clue. This is going to be a limitus test for us here in Kansas. Until the gun and hunting clubs STOP turning their backs on the Wildlife and parks issues - we will continue to lose.

We have between 80,000 to 100,000 Gun hunters in the state. The representation from the Gun clubs is so sparse it IS invisible. Most meeting there is a complete lack of representation form Gun Hunters. If I were to estimate attendence by Gun hunters it would be maybe 5 guys between 2 meetings sometime during the year. Most EVERY YEAR there are absolutely NO REPRESENTATION from ANY of the GUN Clubs. NONE!!!!Archers have between 16,000 to 20,000. Their representatives numbers are at least in the double digits and there is ALWAYS at least 3 to 5 guys at the meeting representing archers AT EVERY MEETING.

We know how to fix our problems here - now it is down to will we do it or not.

If I were a gun hunter here or anywhere else and a member of a gun club, I would start getting VERY involved with the persons that are representing you at the Big Game Commsission meetings. If you don't have this communications going on with your state agency's from your gun club you had betterstart rasing hell in your club about that situation. If your gun club is NOT activly and directly involved in game issues in your state, they are shirking a major part of representation for you.

If it can happen in the Great State of Kansas, I guarntee it can happen ANYWHERE.

Get directly involved. Don't leave it to someone else. That is the only thing that is going to save us.

Good hunting to you all.

Dave

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2003, 05:02:00 PM »
Dave I am going to repost this on the other site too.  OK.

Good assessment of the situation.

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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2003, 09:07:35 AM »
Looks like Mike Pearce, outdoor writer for the Wichita Eagle  is abandoning the mass hunting public again for his own short term influence gains.  It is too bad for the amount of influence he weilds with the Bowhunters.  Mr. Pearce is wrong,  they are not from western and Central, one Wichita and one from KC.   Mr. Johnston does not have an open mind and is very dangerous.  If pearce can't figure this one out with the articles posted in the paper he works at with Mr. Johnston, his credibility is lacking something fiercs.  Dave Post something on this with your take in both forums and how MP is selling out, and is way out of touch with the typical Kansas Hunter.


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My personal opinion.is that I'm danged glad we didn't see three commercial-based new commissioners get appointed...guides, members of CVBs...

I like seeing someone who has some experience at prosecuting poachers and has the respect of at least the KDWP law guys I talked with. I wish all three were hard-core turkey and trophy deer hunters, from Newton, middle-class, who'd rather spend their time with a good lab than most great people and fear for what this state will offer me and mine 10 years from now....but that would be expecting a little much. I have to remind myself thay commissioners are serving more than me and my type.

Even Sarah Brady couldn't get any anti-gun legislation done as a commissioner...not that I would ever believe in her agenda.....now if she were running for the Kansas senate or house......

A Nature Conservancy membership doesn't concern me...I've hunted on NC lands and had some great predatory talks with a past NC president. I've met a lot of NC members who are as avid as we are...and others who would love to shut us down.

....ditto for the Sierra Club.

I've talked with the new people, and have had worse interviews with new commissioners in the past. All are hard-core Kansans, raised in the central and western parts of the state. All seem willing to listen and admit they don't have all the answers yet.

Personally,though, I'm neutral. I'll let their actions dictate my opinions as time goes on. I'll be watching, being objective, and hope others will, too.

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2003, 12:41:14 PM »
OK, it has been a week since announcement of the appointees.  What have you don to be engaged to fight this stupidity.  If you need help let me know. :evil:

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2003, 07:58:53 AM »
There is also another bold manuever that could be done, IF the current commissioners failed to show up for the next 2 Public meetings. By State Law the Commission has to have 4 in order to have a quorum. If the current 4 stayed home or became "ill" it would have the desired effect.

If the current commissioners have a real concern for the public and stakeholder needs DO NOT SHOW UP TO THE NEXT 2 PUBLIC MEETINGS AND PREVENT A QUORUM!!!!! I would send email, but they will just trash can it if they see it is from me. So, if you talk to any of them, get this idea in their head. Invite them all to see this particular discussion thread to avoid any expar te communications and violations of the Open Meetings act.

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2003, 10:24:14 AM »
What it is really is a decesion based on the sitting Commisioners conscience, and their assessment of whether these appointees really are a benefit for the State of Kansas.  The Commissioners need to assess what the balance is.  They have responsibilities and committments not only to the duty of their appointments, but also to the process.  I will support their decision whatever they decide to do.  The real risk is that Chairman Dykes could possibly lose the Chairmanship.  We will need a strong Chairman if this moves forward as is.  Chairman Dykes is the leader and must act as such.  He has a heavy burden at the moment, and difficult decisions now and in the future.  This is not easy, but it is a radical action based on response to a radical action.  The commissioners must decide what is in the best intrests for the Outdoor public in the State of Kansas.  

I have checked up on Appointee Wilson.  All I can find is assistance in the Developement of Environmental Education Standards for K-12, and arrangements for conferences, opening nature trails, etc.  There is not any applied scienc, math, or analysis to address environmental issues or wildlife issues.  She simply has nothing that would merit appointment to a commission to determine public policy for the State of Kansas.  Ditto for Appointee Johnston.  All he has in favor is a hunting license.  The rest of what he does is lobbying against gun rights and running an organization that is anti-gun.  Both of these 2 appointees  only 'qualifications" are radical political stances not in step with the People of the State of Kansas.  The qualifications of the appointees is what I really have a problem with.  I do not think merely having a hunting license is a qualification or litmus test.  The real question is do the appointees have a level of qualification needed to determine policy for the State of Kansas in terms of Wildlife and Parks issues.  This current class of '03 Commission appointees does not have elementary let alone exceptional experience or qualification.


My biggest conceren is not so much this particular set of Appointees.  I am concerned about ALL appointments this Governor has made to all areas of Kansas Government.  This should scare the hell out of everybody.    Are all appointments as bad as this?  How many other Commissioners, Appointments, has the Governor used the same bad judgement on?  Are criminals and axxe murderers being appointed to the Parole Board for instance??  All her appointments are very difficult to overturn.  This will effect policy in the State of Kansas  now and in the future of ALL ISSUES AFFECTING ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE in KANSAS.  So, strictly in view of her appointing process and the accross the board disregard for the will of the People of the State of Kansas, THIS GOVERNOR SHOULD BE RECALLED.

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2003, 07:30:02 AM »
Now we know why they played up Mr. Johnston's "Lifetime hunting License" it is one of the considerations, I wonder when he got it. THe Commissioners have to be "Qualified" by some unspecified process, I wonder what it is?? The Chairman can be appointed at Governor's discretion, so Mr. Dykes could lose his chairmanship for any reason, this being one of them. I guess Appointee Wilson got in in the "park Users" and "non-consumptive users". I would like ALL Commissioners Qualifications, Anyone have them, post them here. IF thye were used in the Qualification phase, they are open records. Let's just fompare andcontrast these issues very pubicly.



32-805
Chapter 32.--WILDLIFE, PARKS AND RECREATION
Article 8.--DEPARTMENT OFWILDLIFE AND PARKS

32-805. Wildlife and parks commission.
(a) There is hereby created within and as a part of the department the Kansas wildlife and parks commission which shall be composed of seven members. The governor shall appoint seven residents of this state to be members of the commission. In the appointment of members of the commission, the governor shall give consideration to the appointment of licensed hunters, fishermen and furharvesters, park users, nonconsumptive users of wildlife and park resources and to geographic balance among commission members. No more than four members shall be of the same political party. Each member of the commission shall hold office for a term of four years and until a successor is appointed and qualified, except that in appointing the original commission members, the governor shall designate one member for a term ending July 1, 1988, one member for a term ending July 1, 1989, and two members for terms ending July 1, 1990. The governor shall fill any vacancy on the commission prior to the expiration of a term by appointment for the unexpired term.

(b) Each member of the commission shall take and subscribe an oath or affirmation as required by law before taking office.

(c) The governor may remove a commissioner after opportunity for a hearing in accordance with the provisions of the Kansas administrative procedure act. If the commissioner is removed, the governor shall file in the office of the secretary of state a complete statement of all charges made against such commissioner and the governor's findings thereon, together with a complete record of the proceedings.

(d) The commission shall have such powers, duties and functions as prescribed by law. Other than rules and regulations pertaining to personnel matters of the department, the secretary shall submit to the commission all proposed rules and regulations. The commission shall either approve, modify and approve, or reject such proposed rules and regulations. The secretary shall adopt such rules and regulations so approved or so modified and approved. Fees established for licenses , permits, stamps and other issues of the department shall be subject to the approval of the commission. It also shall be the duty of the commission to serve in an advisory capacity to the governor and the secretary in the formulation of policies and plans relating to the department.

(e) The governor shall designate one commission member to serve as chairperson of the commission. Members of the commission attending meetings of the commission, or attending a subcommittee meeting thereof authorized by the commission, shall be paid compensation, subsistence allowances, mileage and other expenses as provided in K.S.A. 75-3223 and amendments thereto. Four members of the commission shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business. Meetings may be called by the chairperson and shall be called on the request of a majority of the members of the commission.

History: L. 1987, ch. 417, § 5; L. 1989, ch. 118, § 8; July 1.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2003, 07:04:03 AM »
I went to the Gun Show in Wichita this weekend, and the Kansas State Second Amemdment Society is taiking the lead on opposing these appointments, but this help is not free and needs contributions. I am not a member, but I am sending a couple of Franklins to help support the effort. I did this after one guy emailed me after hearing me b**** about all this, and he said put your money where your mouth is, so I did. I am urging others to also. Contact your local gun, hunting, outtoors club and organize. IF your hunting, gun, outdoors club will not address this situation properly they are part of the problem. I have read on other sites that clubs will "work with the commissioners until there is reason to not cooperati with them", this is not helpful nor the correct stance on the issue, they need to be opposed. If your club has that attitude...change it, if you have a writer or friend who agrees with that sentiment, change their mind. The proper attitude is to oppose these appointments for a variety of reasons. We can hold no quarter with this set of brainless appointments. I urge you to get the KBA on board fully with this, I have heard that some the KBA membership in other State Hunting organizations and going to accept the commissioners until there is a reason to oppose, I do not think that kind of stand supports what is best for hunting and a growing majority, not yet heard from agrees.

Right now Mr. Johnston is being political telling a very influentual Group that he is interested in management of Deer for Trophy and Polulation, HMMMM just what you want to hear isn't it, but supporting this appointee now will be very bad later. I am very dissappointed by what Mr. Mike Pearce (Outdoor writer for the Wichita Eagle) has stated. He obviously has not researched the articles (all 117 of them in the Wichita Eagle) about Mr. Johnston and his anti-gun stance. His journalistic creditability is about shot. He is going for access not for the meat of the story (akin to hunting a deer for the horns and leaving the rest to rot). I have been a critic of this "writer" in the past, and his propensity for lack of investigation for the sake of access is deplorable....again. His stance is also that Shari Wilson would be OK by him too.


With all I learned this weekend with all that is going on behind the scenes about rejecting these commissioners was very promising, but it is not a sure thing. I have learned even more about our current crop of appointees, and the effect will be devestating on an already dysfunctional State Agency. I URGE ALL TO STANDUP AND TAKE ACTION!

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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2003, 01:44:32 PM »
I have a little more information on Appointee Shari wilson.  She is married to Sen. Steineger.  It seems that one does not need qualification as per Kansas Statutes, but the real "qualification" is who did you campaign and fundraise for.

We need to get an official public statement on the appointees from Quail Unlimited, Ducks Unlimited, Seirra Club, Safari Club, Kansas State Rifle Ass'n, Nature Conservancy, National Wilflife Fed., and all other outdoor and conservation groups as well as Kansas Livestock Ass'n. (KLA), Kansas Farm Bea. (KFB), Kansas Republican Assembly (KRA), and Kansans For Life (KFL).  .  I have heard NO GROUP make any statement official or otherwise, on this issue.  They have the responsibility to the membership to make that stand so members can decide if they will continue to support these groups via continuing membership.  ALL need to respond, period.  

The KDWP Big Game Program has given support to habitat and support to programs that ALL Conservation, Outdoor, and hunting groups are concerned with and for a long time.  This support has been on the backs of our great KANSAS DEER HERD.  It is time for a little payback from the organizations that have benefited from the Big Game Program.  I bet the next time you see a deer you will see it in a different way.  On the back of that fawn, doe, or buck you see in Kansas is 40-60% of the funding of the Kansas Wildlife programs.  They are a wonderful animal and ought to be treated more respectfully than auctioned off on E-bay!

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2003, 09:01:33 AM »
This guy stated directly what is wrong with the issues in hunting today, and Agencies, Outdoor and Conservation groups, and political alliances had better wake up.  I have read nothing that explains the situation betten than the NRA President's statement.  He NAILED IT!  KLA, KRA, & KFB, we are coming.  QU, DU, NWTF, KDWP, NWTF, NC, are any of you paying attention to the majority here?  Read the following.  The center and base of the 2nd amendment rights are...GUN HUNTERS!  Big surprise!  They also pay the bills of almost all Wildlife Agencies and grants to non-profits from fees and taxes on ammo and guns.  Take notice all.


By Kayne Robinson, President NRA

If the most vulnerable hunter is forced out by burgeoning costs and red tape, our political base will be gone, because that’s where our big numbers are.


Every year a new crop of administrative rules, red tape, raised fees, imposed costs, and land closings are added to last year's crop and piled on the backs of hunters. Seldom are any repealed.

Who is this "vulnerable hunter?" It could be a man or woman, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll use the word "he." He gets a license every year or two. He has an older shotgun or rifle maybe a Mossberg or Savage or Remington. He has a 6-year-old pickup truck. His hunting clothes are not new, but they work fine.

He makes the things we use, he fixes our furnace. He's the only guy at the gas station when we drive in. He's up on the power line in the February sleet, or on the fire truck when we smell smoke. He drives the IS-wheeler, bringing our groceries from afar.

He punches a clock, so once he's at work it's almost impossible to leave and run errands for the game agency.  He has very little time with his son or daughter, so a chance to hunt deer or pheasant with his kid is a very big deal.

Laws, administrative rules, enforcement tactics, all affect him differently than the fancier hunter-for example, the wealthy lawyer in a big law firm can easily take off and run errands when government offices are convenient and open. He can get his secretary to fill out the forms. He can hire an outfitter to handle the licenses, permits, and problems. He may even accept red tape as the norm.


The vulnerable hunter may find all of this a big hardship, more expense and exasperation than he can tolerate. So he drops out. And hunting loses an important friend.

Here's the problem: If the most vulnerable hunter is
forced out by burgeoning costs and red tape, our political base will be gone, because that's where our big numbers are. Without huge numbers, hunting will be dead for everybody-rich and poor alike. It will be dead for WalMart, Cabela's, and Bass Pro Shops, for Mossberg as much as for Merkel. And, hunting will be dead for NRA and Safari Club and Ducks Unlimited. It will be dead for the state game agencies, it will be dead for the hundreds of wildlife agents who have good relations with hunters as well as those who are disrespectful.

Unfortunately, some agencies and a few members some hunting specialty organizations say, "Good! If you can't afford fancy equipment, if you won't devote large amounts of time and money, if you aren't a passionate devotee of a special game type, if you don't talk in fancy trophy scoring lingo-if you are offended by aggressive law enforcement tactics when there is no probable cause that you have done anything wrong-then get out! Take up bowling!"

Well, if the most vulnerable hunters do continue to get out, we're all out of
business. As a civil rights organization, NRA defends rights.  And, like all civil rights organizations, we have to view rights from the standpoint of the most vulnerable member.

Our emphasis, therefore must be: How does this law, rule, policy, or government action affect the most vulnerable hunters? Sometimes rules, fees, and costs about hunting and game are absolutely vital and clearly needed. Sometimes they are not.

Sometimes the unnecessary laws, rules, and fees are spawned by anti-hunters, sometimes for bureaucratic or law enforcement convenience, or from a paternalistic government agency attitude that says: "We're the boss and we run hunting!"

In the end, the motivation doesn't matter much-what matters is the effect. If a particular law, rule, or regulation freezes out hunters and gun owners for no vital reason, then it must be defeated! When administrative rules, fees, and hunting laws are being considered, who is at the table? Are rules constantly ratcheted up because everybody at the decision table is a booster of the agency? Is there not even one advocate for the most vulnerable hunter?

We desperately need the hunting specialty organizations that have done tremendous work to restore habitat of and game. They should be honored and supported. Many game agencies and agents are completely dedicated to hunting and respectful of hunters. It is just as important that the average hunter not be choked by red tape and driven from the field.

12 American Hunter . September 2003